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| In light of all the Tomkins' dramas of this year, comments from Peacock about being country before club and the international series only being a few weeks away, I thought I'd ask the masses their opinions on where their priorities lay.
Are you country first? And if not, why not and what would it take for you to be?
If you are, why don't you think others are?
I think it's about time the RFL looked at the many reasons why people choose not to support their country in the numbers they should and look to address them instead of just accepting that the international game just isn't that big.
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| Club first, I've supported Huddersfield since I was 4, and although i've been to see England and Ireland. Never really bothered me.
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| If the sport is to get a bigger profile, then the national team has to be supported alot more than it is. But then there is the problem, who wants to see us being tonked by the Kiwis and the Aussies every tornament? I'll be at wembley and the KC this year tho.
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| Quote: Conorgiantsfan "Club first, I've supported Huddersfield since I was 4, and although i've been to see England and Ireland. Never really bothered me.'"
You've not really answered the question though have you.
Why are you club before country? What would it take to get you to be country before club?
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| Quote: Hessle rover "If the sport is to get a bigger profile, then the national team has to be supported alot more than it is. But then there is the problem, who wants to see us being tonked by the Kiwis and the Aussies every tornament? I'll be at wembley and the KC this year tho.'"
So do you think it's because we don't win enough games? Or that we're not the best in the world?
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| What would it take to get me to be country before club? 2 things - McNamara steps down as HC, and england get a coach selects the best british players from all 13 clubs
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| I find it hard to say, but probably just club, I spend more time and money and feel more part of my club. But when England play I am extremely passionate, i'll also be at Wembley and LSV and trying my best to try and get to the KC.
Also think McNamara needs firing off NOW. Give Millward/Harrison or both the job as he/they have the time to run the national side as they run part time teams.
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| I'll always support England, but given the choice between England winning and Cas winning, I'd always go for Cas. Not 100% sure on the reasons tbh
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So do you think it's because we don't win enough games? Or that we're not the best in the world?'"
Well we haven't been the best in the world for a long time now, so no, that's not the reason. Personally I don't think Rl plays enough internationals. Cut the season a bit, taper in more internationals and financially reward success. I don't think our players are hungry enough on the international stage after a long season.
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| Quote: jonny the leyther "I find it hard to say, but probably just club, I spend more time and money and feel more part of my club. But when England play I am extremely passionate, i'll also be at Wembley and LSV and trying my best to try and get to the KC.
Also think McNamara needs firing off NOW. Give Millward/Harrison or both the job as he/they have the time to run the national side as they run part time teams.'"
Bring up some very good points there (exactly what I'm trying to get to the bottom of).
England don't play enough games is basically the first thing you're saying. Something which I agree with.
I think the McNamara thing could be linked to the first issue. If England played more games, then we'd be able to gauge whether or not he was up to the job. It would be unfair to sack him after 4 friendlies and 3 series games (although he's only got a 50% record from that!).
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| Quote: Hessle rover "Well we haven't been the best in the world for a long time now, so no, that's not the reason. Personally I don't think Rl plays enough internationals. Cut the season a bit, taper in more internationals and financially reward success. I don't think our players are hungry enough on the international stage after a long season.'"
All fair points.
Do you think cutting the season will affect your support of your club?
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "All fair points.
Do you think cutting the season will affect your support of your club?'"
Not at all, I'm a season pass holder so that would be somthing I would encourage if it meant the national squad would benifit. Mayby a small percentage of club season pass sales could go towards a club England scheme to give out centralised contracts to keep our best players. But then the Chairmen at all clubs would have to sanction that, but hey, just an idea.
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| Quote: Hessle rover "Not at all, I'm a season pass holder so that would be somthing I would encourage if it meant the national squad would benifit. Mayby a small percentage of club season pass sales could go towards a club England scheme to give out centralised contracts to keep our best players. But then the Chairmen at all clubs would have to sanction that, but hey, just an idea.'"
Really good idea that.
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| Quote: Hessle rover "Not at all, I'm a season pass holder so that would be somthing I would encourage if it meant the national squad would benifit. Mayby a small percentage of club season pass sales could go towards a club England scheme to give out centralised contracts to keep our best players. But then the Chairmen at all clubs would have to sanction that, but hey, just an idea.'"
Not a bad idea at all.
But there could be more to it than that, especially if it comes to England playing more games (why would clubs want to fund the international side that takes away revenue from them for example)?
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| Pretty sure most RL fans in this country are club first.
England is still a pretty new concept to people who grown up watching GB.
If Peacocks making daft comments like that though you have to question why he is the captain.
We should have already moved on to a young captain 25 or younger who can lead the team for 5 years and build his profile and the teams profile.
Of course we need a better thought out international programme plkanned out over 5 years and the dates and venues in stone.
Making an England V Wales the last game of magic weekend (which would mean 4 games both days then) now we dont have the crusaders in SL might be a good start.
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