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| What would they be.
3 for me which spring to mind.
The new 'dragging' to touch rule. I think this is a crap rule and basically, if a player takes the risk of running down the touchline or near the touchline, then they should be able to be bundled into touch, be it a drag or push.
The next would be the 'benefit of doubt to the attacking side' rule. I think this should be the other way round, if a defence stops a try, then they should be awarded for that, and not have a decision go against them, a decision which isn't clear at that.
Lets also go back to the days when you had to have downward pressure and 'control' of the ball when scoring a try. None of this brushing with a finger or forearm rubbish. Yes i know Meli scored at the JJB in this style, but it looks crap when a try is awarded for a finger basically sliding onto the ball when it is on the ground.
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| I'd change none of them apart from the dragging one.
Benefit of doubt shouldn't be used when the ref can't decide because of the footage, it should be used when the onfield ref 'thinks' it's a try and refers it to check and they can't prove eitherway.
I'd reduce the time tacklers can spend on a player and penalise anything other than a really quick play the ball.
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| Quote: Saddened! "I'd change none of them apart from the dragging one.
Benefit of doubt shouldn't be used when the ref can't decide because of the footage, it should be used when the onfield ref 'thinks' it's a try and refers it to check and they can't prove eitherway.
I'd reduce the time tacklers can spend on a player and penalise anything other than a really quick play the ball.'"
You mean like a 'ref's call' they had in the NRL? ? ?
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| Don't agree with benefit of the doubt rule, if you can't proved you've scored, credit must go to the defenders, it should not be a try.
Also, bring back top 6 playoffs. The top 8 format is very, very poor and doesn't reward the best.
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| Markers not square.
I dont like it, and it would stop such lazy one out running.
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| Quote: Dougy "Don't agree with benefit of the doubt rule, if you can't proved you've scored, credit must go to the defenders, it should not be a try.'"
What should happen? Are you suggesting the referee should make up a reason to disallow a try just because he has doubts?
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| id look at the PTB, we need to make sure that there is a benefit for winning the collision, right now there isnt, its a lottery over whether the ref will blow for holding down or not, its a difficult question but its the worst part of the game right now, it needs to be a bit quicker in general and a lot more consistent
id like to see the markers being able to stand either side of the ptb rather than directly in front. it would minimize the scooting from dummy half, but not remove the broken play won by winning the collision and getting a quick ptb.
Any head high challenge 5 minutes in the bin, 3 penalties in a row given away by the same team, automatic 5 mins in the bin for the third offender.
oh and double movement, we seemed to have a rule, and it seemed to work quite well, but with Mcguires disallowed try at the weekend it seems to have changed
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| Two referees would solve most of that Smokey
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "oh and double movement, we seemed to have a rule, and it seemed to work quite well, but with Mcguires disallowed try at the weekend it seems to have changed'"
I wouldn't say it has, and that's as a Leeds fan.
The tackle is completed when the ball carrying arm hits the ground in those circumstances, and is deemed to finish where the player's momentum ceases.
So had McGuire not promoted the ball in order to reach the line, but instead kept it exactly where it was and slid over under his own momentum then the try should have been awarded. That he lifted the arm after the tackle was "complete" (by the first part of the sentence above) in order to reposition the ball and gain an advantage made it a double movement.
That's always been my understanding of the rule anyway, that once your ball carrying arm hits the deck you can't promote the ball in any way either by reaching out to ground it or passing it to a team-mate.
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| Quote: Dico "Two referees would solve most of that Smokey'"
it would a bit, but i want to see the PTB to be more structured.
If we had two refs, i would test out having one of them simply watching and judging the collision and ptb with them making a call on every tackle over who won the collision. call it for the attack you get off immediately, you call it for defence they get a little longer. A defender should be rewarded for a crunching tackle, but at perversely the moment an attacker is likely to get a quicker ptb by being crunched than by winning the collision and striving for a few extra metres
Im not sure there is much skill in the defence we are seeing right now where two or three players are simply adding themselves to the tackle whilst it is being completed with the sole aim of getting a bit longer to reset, that isnt skill and it isnt impressive, it doesnt make for an interesting spectacle.
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| Kick the ball dead and its a turnover to the opposition where it was kicked from.
Lose the ball (fumble) in any direction and it's a scrum or play on if the opposition pick it up.
Penalty goals from foul play worth 3 points and the offender 10 minutes automatically in the bin (may help with coaching tackling techniques)
Home team to change their colours if there is a clash with the opposition. ( May help with marketing the game)
THe video ref abandoned until all games get the same level of coverage.
All people playing the game WORLD WIDE play to the same agreed rules.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "I wouldn't say it has, and that's as a Leeds fan.
The tackle is completed when the ball carrying arm hits the ground in those circumstances, and is deemed to finish where the player's momentum ceases.
So had McGuire not promoted the ball in order to reach the line, but instead kept it exactly where it was and slid over under his own momentum then the try should have been awarded. That he lifted the arm after the tackle was "complete" (by the first part of the sentence above) in order to reposition the ball and gain an advantage made it a double movement.
That's always been my understanding of the rule anyway, that once your ball carrying arm hits the deck you can't promote the ball in any way either by reaching out to ground it or passing it to a team-mate.'"
but that hasnt been what we have seen for a few years at least.
look at the Mcguire no-try earlier in the year against wigan (i think), here his ball carrying arm hit the ground, he was then rolled over by the defender onto his back, before Mcguire stretched out over his head and tried to put the ball down. This was a try not disallowed for a double movement, it wasnt something even mentioned by anyone, but because some felt Mcguire had lost control of the ball when he tried to put it down.
I think last season there was another example of a Quins player whose ball carrying arm hit the deck in wet conditions, and sliding towards the sideline he offloaded, this was given. The reasons from Cummins was that the tackle wasnt completed until his movement was stopped and by definition the tackle wasnt complete and the player was free to offload.
I would also say we see those tries given on a very regular basis
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| Attacking side not being allowed to kick the ball in the opposition 30 metre area (except for penalty,conversion and drop goals).
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| Quote: rufustanner "Attacking side not being allowed to kick the ball in the opposition 30 metre area (except for penalty,conversion and drop goals).'"
I see where your coming from rufus bat that's a bit drastic.I would go for grubbers only.Tries that result from a high kick to the corner do nothing for me either.
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| Quote: Leaguefan "Kick the ball dead and its a turnover to the opposition where it was kicked from.'"
That's a big one for me - but the turnover should only be if the ball is kicked dead from outside the 20, otherwise a tap on the 20 as it is now
This would force the attacking team to really up the kicking game - there is far too much benefit for the attacking team to boot the ball dead from half way and line the defence up on the 30... made even worse with the referees not allowing a fast tap
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