FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > When is a forward pass a knock on?
44 posts in 4 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach855No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2016Jun 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



NO talk of any recent games intended, but can someone simply explain when a forward pass is a knock on?

Is it simply down to whether the officials believe the player intended to pass or not?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach12958No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2011Jul 2011LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



they are 2 completely different things, how can they be confused?

a forward pass doesnt have to involve the attacking team touching the ball again after its thrown.

its simple, if the ball travels in a forward direction after its passed. (exception is it can float forward if the ball was passed backward)

a knock on is more the ball comes loose in a forward direction, hits the ground and then is regathered.

both result in a loss of possession but they are compeltely different

if the ball is knocked backwards and regathered its obviously just play on

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach855No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2016Jun 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: dally messenger "they are 2 completely different things, how can they be confused?

a forward pass doesnt have to involve the attacking team touching the ball again after its thrown.

its simple, if the ball travels in a forward direction after its passed. (exception is it can float forward if the ball was passed backward)

a knock on is more the ball comes loose in a forward direction, hits the ground and then is regathered.

both result in a loss of possession but they are compeltely different

if the ball is knocked backwards and regathered its obviously just play on'"

Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach12958No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2011Jul 2011LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: declaration "Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.'"

sorry, my mistake, i thought it was a serious thing as opposed to a dig at a decision in a game.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach855No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2016Jun 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: dally messenger "sorry, my mistake, i thought it was a serious thing as opposed to a dig at a decision in a game.'"

It's not a dig. People seem to be saying it was the right decision and I can believe they are right.

Would just like to understand the rules a bit better is all.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach1621No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2018Jun 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Black Backgrounds/Kermit the Frog.gif
:Black Backgrounds/Kermit the Frog.gif



Quote: declaration "Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.'"


You are right, it does not!!!

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
973_1515165968.gif
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif



Quote: declaration "Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.'"


There's no "apparently" about it you muppet, nor is a forward pass ever a knock-on, it's either one thing or the other.

Why don't you just read the rules first, and then if you still have any sensible questions, ask them?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach855No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2016Jun 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "There's no "apparently" about it you muppet, nor is a forward pass ever a knock-on, it's either one thing or the other.

Why don't you just read the rules first, and then if you still have any sensible questions, ask them?'"

Instead of two sentences of abuse, why not just explain the difference then?

If the ball goes straight from one player to a team mate in front, when is it a knock on and when is it a forward pass?

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner3887No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2024Sep 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
9781.jpg
supporting Halifax through thick & thin!:9781.jpg



Quote: declaration "Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.'"


if the player who loses control of the ball, its not a knock on if he regathers it before it hits the ground or it touches either one of his team mates or the opposition.
Thats why when JJB "knocked the ball forward" the it was a knock on even though it didnt touch the ground as it touched another player (the one who actually caught it) Had it not touched the other player then it would have hit the ground.

simpelz

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach855No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2016Jun 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: griffax "if the player who loses control of the ball, its not a knock on if he regathers it before it hits the ground or it touches either one of his team mates or the opposition.
Thats why when JJB "knocked the ball forward" the it was a knock on even though it didnt touch the ground as it touched another player (the one who actually caught it) Had it not touched the other player then it would have hit the ground.

simpelz'"

I guess it involves a degree of subjectivity then. Surely it is arguable that JJB intended to slap the ball to a team mate, and was therefore in control of the ball?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10446
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Jul 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
23655_1294867330.png
For the latest Giants News on Twitter first: [url=http://www.twitter.com/GiantsRLFans:29oobw8d]Click Here Now![/url:29oobw8d] [url=http://www.Giantsrlfans.com/:29oobw8d]FREE STUFF[/url:29oobw8d] We're [color=#6E2233:29oobw8d]Claret[/color:29oobw8d] and [color=#FFBF00:29oobw8d]Gold[/color:29oobw8d]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23655.png



Quote: declaration "NO talk of any recent games intended...'"


Quote: declaration "Obviously you didn't watch Leeds Bradford last Friday.

Apparently a knock on doesn't need to touch the ground or an opposition player to be a knock on.'"


icon_rolleyes.gif

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
973_1515165968.gif
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif



Quote: declaration "Instead of two sentences of abuse, why not just explain the difference then?'"

Because I also suspected you weren't being serious.

Quote: declaration "If the ball goes straight from one player to a team mate in front, when is it a knock on and when is it a forward pass?'"


A pass has to be "thrown". If you don't "throw" it, then it's not a pass. This is the extremeley simple bit, yet that most people who argue the toss don't, for some reason, seem to know.

If you pass it, the pass rules apply, and whether the ball travels forward relative to the pitch is irrelevant.

But if you knock it along, and it contacts either the ground or another player, the knock-on rules apply, and the only question is whether the ball travels forward relative to the pitch

RB
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4235No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2009Jan 1970LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



There was another knock on/forward pass in the Leeds game at the weekend that Senior scored off I think. How on Earth the ref missed it I will never know.

mav
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner0No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2022Jan 1970LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

[url=http://flickr.com/photos/chirachira/:1r4x45ft]flickr.com/photos/chirachira[/url:1r4x45ft] • [url=http://twitter.com/iwrotethis:1r4x45ft]twitter.com/iwrotethis[/url:1r4x45ft]:



Quote: declaration "I guess it involves a degree of subjectivity then. Surely it is arguable that JJB intended to slap the ball to a team mate, and was therefore in control of the ball?'"


That would be a forward slap then, not a forward pass.

Michael.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach855No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2016Jun 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: mav "That would be a forward slap then, not a forward pass.

Michael.'"

Right, good to get that cleared up in my head.

Now when does a slap become a pass? icon_twisted.gif

44 posts in 4 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
44 posts in 4 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


2.39599609375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
giddyupoldfe
119
Recent
Memorable Games
giddyupoldfe
7
Recent
Squad 2025
the fax in a
24
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
2025 Season tickets
AgbriggAmble
174
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3508
2m
England vs Samoa
CM Punk
130
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
63004
3m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2503
4m
Pre Season - 2025
giddyupoldfe
119
4m
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
17
6m
2024 l Academy Scholarship & Reserves News
Ex-Swarcliff
223
11m
Ground Improvements
Khlav Kalash
121
12m
Film game
Boss Hog
5135
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
The Brick Stadium ownership update
Itchy Arsena
5
TODAY
Rhinos Ladies
The Biffs Ba
6
TODAY
Squad contract dates
Spookisback
6
TODAY
Paladin Sports
Deadcowboys1
4
TODAY
Magic Weekend
Wollo-Wollo-
2
TODAY
War of the Roses
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Dual Reg
PopTart
2
TODAY
Vagana
Scarlet Pimp
10
TODAY
2025 Kit
Wigan Bull
6
TODAY
2025 merchandise
18th Man
12
TODAY
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Smithers99
7
TODAY
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa To Take Test Series
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
TODAY
Englands Women Demolish The Welsh
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
Big lads mat
9
TODAY
2025 Shirt
The Whiffy K
11
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
11
TODAY
Sky tv deals
karetaker
7
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Fantastic Mr
29
TODAY
New Kit
karetaker
62
TODAY
Memorable Games
giddyupoldfe
7
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
moto748
11
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
giddyupoldfe
119
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
32
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
582
England's Women Demolish The W..
530
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
828
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
635
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
921
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1415
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1647
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1918
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1504
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1767
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2135
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1702
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1786
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1915
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2101
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.64M 999 ↓-6780,15414,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
There are currently no matches to display.
Matches on TV
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024 3 England M34-16Samoa M
WINT2024 2 ENGLAND W82-0WALES W
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
giddyupoldfe
119
Recent
Memorable Games
giddyupoldfe
7
Recent
Squad 2025
the fax in a
24
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
2025 Season tickets
AgbriggAmble
174
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3508
2m
England vs Samoa
CM Punk
130
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
63004
3m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2503
4m
Pre Season - 2025
giddyupoldfe
119
4m
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
17
6m
2024 l Academy Scholarship & Reserves News
Ex-Swarcliff
223
11m
Ground Improvements
Khlav Kalash
121
12m
Film game
Boss Hog
5135
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
The Brick Stadium ownership update
Itchy Arsena
5
TODAY
Rhinos Ladies
The Biffs Ba
6
TODAY
Squad contract dates
Spookisback
6
TODAY
Paladin Sports
Deadcowboys1
4
TODAY
Magic Weekend
Wollo-Wollo-
2
TODAY
War of the Roses
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Dual Reg
PopTart
2
TODAY
Vagana
Scarlet Pimp
10
TODAY
2025 Kit
Wigan Bull
6
TODAY
2025 merchandise
18th Man
12
TODAY
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Smithers99
7
TODAY
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa To Take Test Series
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
TODAY
Englands Women Demolish The Welsh
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
Big lads mat
9
TODAY
2025 Shirt
The Whiffy K
11
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
11
TODAY
Sky tv deals
karetaker
7
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Fantastic Mr
29
TODAY
New Kit
karetaker
62
TODAY
Memorable Games
giddyupoldfe
7
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
moto748
11
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
giddyupoldfe
119
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
32
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
582
England's Women Demolish The W..
530
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
828
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
635
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
921
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1415
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1647
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1918
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1504
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1767
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2135
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1702
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1786
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1915
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2101


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!