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| Few articles that are worth a look regarding the rlMartin Gleeson caserl published today. I haven't had time to go through them all myself yet but they certainly aren't painting a pretty picture so far.
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| True, they don't. However, I think it's commendable that these players are making these statements in order to try to help an ex-team mate. I think many people are coming round to the idea that Martin Gleeson has been treated harshly for a genuine mistake.
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| Those are some of the most sensationalist, bullsh[ii[/it articles I've seen recently. And I read the daily mail last week.
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| Well if they are BS I expect the author will be hearing from the solicitors of Tickle, Dowes, Fitzgibbon and Long.
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| Quote: Him "Those are some of the most sensationalist, bullsh[ii[/it articles I've seen recently. And I read the daily mail last week.'"
Nick Harris seems to be the editor and he is also affiliated with the Daily Mail. I'm inclined to agree having read them all in detail, however they have done a lot of good work in exposing the Blackburn Rovers owners and manager for what they truly are so I thought they would be worth a look.
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| Quote: Him "Those are some of the most sensationalist, bullsh[ii[/it articles I've seen recently. '"
You're quite right, it refers to Ewan Dowes as an 'England Star'.
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| I very much doubt we would have seen this emphasis and tone had it been a Rugby Union club.
The Mail, remember, is a paper that only reports on RL when there is a scandal. Then it does it big-time. IMO it clearly has a very strong anti-RL agenda running. Maybe a RL player once nicked the sports editor's girlfriend or ate his hamster?
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| Quote: SFW "Nick Harris seems to be the editor and he is also affiliated with the Daily Mail. I'm inclined to agree having read them all in detail, however they have done a lot of good work in exposing the Blackburn Rovers owners and manager for what they truly are so I thought they would be worth a look.'"
You're right there are some interesting articles on there, and some interesting bits in the RL articles. Just a shame that the interesting bits are surrounded by sensationalist made up rubbish.
Cheers for sharing though, still interesting when the guff is stripped away.
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| So which parts are made up? The direct statements from the players perhaps?
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| Quote: Bobbin' Along "So which parts are made up? The direct statements from the players perhaps?'"
The stuff about how deeply the RFL were supposedly involved is not supported by the evidence presented for a start. Either the author hasn't actually read them, or he has an agenda, or he's a bit thick.
I'd also be more than a little cautious about reading anything from fragments of alleged testimony quoted without the context of the full transcript. It's very easy to make people look guilty by using selective quoting.
The whole thing is sensationalised and spun to present the sport in the worst possible light. He even takes a pop at UKDA and implies that two of their officials were somehow complicit. It's sub-tabloid 'journalism' of the worst kind.
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| Perhaps the guy does have an anti RL agenda. Nonetheless I think the statements given by the other players merit a review of the Gleeson punishment. Surely if a player admits to having taken the substance on a matchday there are two ways to look at it:
1) Treat that player as being guilty of the same offence as Gleeson and punish him accordingly
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2) Accept that these players (including Gleeson) have made a genuine mistake and their main failure was in trusting the judgement of the conditioner rather than checking for themselves.
On this basis it would be fair imho to reduce Gleeson's punishment.
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| Quote: Kosh "The stuff about how deeply the RFL were supposedly involved is not supported by the evidence presented for a start. Either the author hasn't actually read them, or he has an agenda, or he's a bit thick.
I'd also be more than a little cautious about reading anything from fragments of alleged testimony quoted without the context of the full transcript. It's very easy to make people look guilty by using selective quoting.
The whole thing is sensationalised and spun to present the sport in the worst possible light. He even takes a pop at UKDA and implies that two of their officials were somehow complicit. It's sub-tabloid 'journalism' of the worst kind.'"
Spot on.
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| Quote: Bobbin' Along "Perhaps the guy does have an anti RL agenda. Nonetheless I think the statements given by the other players merit a review of the Gleeson punishment. Surely if a player admits to having taken the substance on a matchday there are two ways to look at it
A couple of points...
1. No matter what these player may or may not have admitted the simple fact is that only Gleeson failed a drugs test. Hence only Gleeson has been banned. I very much doubt that the rules allow for a player to be suspended based on testimony alone, and for very good reasons. This drug isn't banned except for during competitive games, and so the UKDA would have to prove that the players actually had the stuff [iin their systems[/i during a competitive game. No such proof exists.
2. It's been made abundantly clear over many years that the ultimate responsibility for what goes into their bodies lies with the player and nobody else. Having a substance cleared by a third party, no matter who, is no excuse. Cooper was clearly massively incompetent and should have been sacked immediately, but 5 minutes with Google would have shown Gleeson - and indeed the other players - that this supplement was not safe to take in the run-up to or during games.
3. Gleeson has already had his sentence reduced to the minimum possible for someone guilty of unwittingly taking a banned substance. There is simply no justification for reducing it further.
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| Quote: Bobbin' Along "I think it's commendable that these players are making these statements in order to try to help an ex-team mate.'"
Such a shame that said ex-team mate is now intent on dragging their names through the mud as part of a massive hissy fit.
Quote: Bobbin' Along "I think many people are coming round to the idea that Martin Gleeson has been treated harshly for a genuine mistake.'"
I think the number of people with any sympathy at all for Gleeson reduces dramatically every time he tries to drag our sport into the gutter for another payday.
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