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| I saw an Interesting article recently by Alex Murphy in the Manchester Evening News.
Super League has turned into a ‘three divisions in one’ competition, according to rugby league legend Alex Murphy.
He believes there is now too much inevitability about the outcome of games and blow-out score lines.
He has been quick to make comparisons with football’s Premier League in how the wealthier clubs dominate and have a clear advantage over the majority.
He told MEN Sport: “Seeing Salford annihilated at home by Leeds was just like watching United thrash Wolves 5-0.
So, looking at a 3 tier SL we would have “the haves” “the would-likes” and “the have-nots”
1. Leeds, Warrington, Wigan
2. Hull, Huddersfield, Saints, Catalans, Bradford, Hull KR
3. London, Widnes, Castleford, Salford, Wakefield
I would say Hull, Huddersfield and Catalans moving in the right direction to tier one.
Bulls and Hull KR stuck in tier two and likely to be joined by Salford and Wakey.
Castleford and London stuck in tier 3 with Widnes who have plenty of time on their side.
What would be your 3 tier structure of SL ?
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| This doesn't make any sense? A three tiered Super League, what does that even mean?
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| Quote: Tigerade "I saw an Interesting article recently by Alex Murphy in the Manchester Evening News.
Super League has turned into a ‘three divisions in one’ competition, according to rugby league legend Alex Murphy.
He believes there is now too much inevitability about the outcome of games and blow-out score lines.
He has been quick to make comparisons with football’s Premier League in how the wealthier clubs dominate and have a clear advantage over the majority.
He told MEN Sport
I think the point been is that the super league is becoming like the premeir league in the fact that the lower clubs will never compete with the those at the top (both on and off the field). And the league is pretty much the same year in year out with the clubs finishing in similar positions. Meaning games become more predictable aswell clubs league positions. Thats my understanding of it anyway.
I think my 3 tier would be.
1. Leeds, Warrington, Wigan, Saints (always up there recent history).
2. Bradford, Hull fc, Hull kr, Huddersfield, Catalan.
3. Wakefield, Salford, London, Widnes, Castleford.
Not taking into account runs of form or injury problems.
The games most entertaining for myself to watch are when the clubs compete with other clubs within their tiers.
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| Quote: Tigerade "I saw an Interesting article recently by Alex Murphy in the Manchester Evening News.
Super League has turned into a ‘three divisions in one’ competition, according to rugby league legend Alex Murphy.
He believes there is now too much inevitability about the outcome of games and blow-out score lines.
He has been quick to make comparisons with football’s Premier League in how the wealthier clubs dominate and have a clear advantage over the majority.
He told MEN Sport
I think this says more about Alex Murphy than it does about superleague.
It is a little bit disappointing that, one of the games legends doesn't have anything positive to say about the game.
Along with most other sports, all of the teams involved are tryin to improve their performance and both Catalan and Huddersfield are good examples of improvement.
Yes, many clubs, in the short term, may only have a realistic chance of finishing a couple of places higher than last term and some will drop a couple of places, but that doesn't make the game predictable.
Bottom club Widnes beat Wigan a couple of weeks ago (although there were some selection issues) and Wakey would have beaten Warrington last week if the ref had managed to count to six, so I dont agree that the game is too predictable.
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| Alex Murphy is comparing SL to football’s Premier League in "how the wealthier clubs dominate and have a clear advantage over the majority" hence the "have's" and "have not's" classifications. Its not too hard to understand.
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| How many years of Superleague? 17 is it? How many years of having a salary cap? 11 maybe?
But only 5 teams have contested the Grand Final. I think that's is disappointing.
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| Quote: Tigerade "How many years of Superleague? 17 is it? How many years of having a salary cap? 11 maybe?
But only 5 teams have contested the Grand Final. I think that's is disappointing.'"
It is disappointing, but there is movement. Less than five years ago Wire and Huddersfield would have been in 'Tier Three' and Wigan in 'Tier Two'. To a long-term Wire fan like me it still feels somewhat astonishing to find RL fans in general classifying us as up with the 'big boys'. Other clubs must aspire to make the same change.
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| That's just a part of every sport, team or individual. You have the top ones who are always favourites. F1 has McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari. Tennis you can pretty much guarantee any major final will be between Nadal, Federer, Djorkovic and Murray, and of course the aforementioned football with the likes of Man Utd and City, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. Why would rugby league be any different?
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| Salary cap maybe-Do they do this in soccer, F1 or tennis using your examples
Do Swansea have the same "spend" as Man Utd?
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| The better players - at least the more ambitious, better players - are always going to end up at the same big clubs where they stand a chance of winning things and playing in front of larger crowds.
Kevin Sinfield said in one of his GF acceptance speeches (I forget which one, there have been so many lately) that a lot of the Leeds players could be on bigger money elsewhere but realise they're playing in a good side with the potential to pick up lots of honours.
Money isn't always the motivating factor in building a successful side, hence the salary cap will never create a truly level competition.
It will be interesting to see what difference UEFA's Financial Fair Play regulations (the nearest thing football has to a salary cap) will make the top teams.
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| Rugby League in "Allocating teams standing based on a specific snap-shot of history" shocker
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| I wouldn't call the SL era a snap-shot in history. We've had the same 4 teams (plus Hull) in all SL seasons for 17 years now. Granted Warrington look to be the 6th inductee.
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| I think its taken a few teams a while to get a well structured well planned ahead for the future salary cap in place at their clubs. Some teams had very poorly organised systems in place in the early years of the salary cap and eventually realised that 1 or 2 big signings weren't the answer. Warrington will eventually make the Grand Final debuts soon and I think Hudds and Catalans have a decent chance too in the next 5 years, as well as Hull adding to their single appearance.
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| I think you can write off the first 6 years of SL as they were little different to what had gone before, in fact only when the level cap was introduced can you count as a benchmark.
And let's look at the clubs at the "top table"
Wigan, saints, Leeds...haven't they ALWAYS dominated RL tables?
Warrington have always been in the top flight, historically Huddersfield were truly one of the elite set (until splitting the league up nearly killed them) and Hull FC have always been regarded as a "big club"
So really, what we see is simply what has always existed for RL...I have a lot of time for Murphy, it was under his stewardship that Huddersfield began their long, long climb off the canvas, but he needs to stop thinking it "was better in my day"
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| Quote: Tigerade "We've had the same 4 teams (plus Hull) in all SL seasons for 17 years now.'"
No we haven't.
Bradford were in the top tier and now aren't.
Since Bradford last won anything Wigan have been on the verge of relegation and turned it around to win a title.
Huddersfield were in the lower leagues and are now top of the table.
Leeds were nowhere for years in Super League, and now dominate.
Warrington had won nothing for years and are one of the best teams in the competition.
If Catalans aren't a success then I don't what else to call them.
Hull FC are starting to look like a team of the future and Bradford are turning things around and becoming competitive again. Hull KR and Salford, and to a lesser extent Wakefield and Widnes, have all given glimpses of what they can do.
The competition is in the better health now than any point I can remember. I agree with you that the number of teams that have played GFs is disappointing, but there are three who haven't in Hudds, Wire and Cats who wouldn't look at all out of place there.
Teams are more accustomed to planning their squads in the context of the cap now. The structure of the cap and quotas is encouraging more teams to develop their own youth as the core of their squads. We're moving in the right direction.
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