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| How long until the powers that be finally outlaw this immoral technique? Do we really have to wait until a young man has his career ended or is left unable to walk again before it happens?
Why wait for the outcome to be severe enough before taking action?
It's so annoying that nothing has been done about it. It's possibly the easiest rule change to make as well. Just make it that if a player is held on his upper body, no other player can apply any force to the legs, only grabs are allowed. You slam into the knee after they are held and you get a red card and you sit out a month. Simple.
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| Quote: Saddened! "How long until the powers that be finally outlaw this immoral technique? Do we really have to wait until a young man has his career ended or is left unable to walk again before it happens?
Why wait for the outcome to be severe enough before taking action?
It's so annoying that nothing has been done about it. It's possibly the easiest rule change to make as well. Just make it that if a player is held on his upper body, no other player can apply any force to the legs, only grabs are allowed. You slam into the knee after they are held and you get a red card and you sit out a month. Simple.'"
Well said
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| I put this on here last month it should be punished a lot more severly than the shoulder charge imo
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| Agreed. In the NRL, third man in cannot hit below the knee.
We could adopt same from next week. Just announce that third man in contacting below the knee will be deemed dangerous play and penalised.
Mind you, would give Wane even more to worry about in training this week..
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| Be interesting to see if Powell get a call to HQ, Chase getting his ban should have sent the message, now we need another big ban to show the RFL are serious.
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| Second time Powell has done that this year. Long ban should be coming his way.
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| How Silverwood said it wasn't a cannonball shocked me.
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| In this thread: nobody that knows what a cannonball tackle is.
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| From what I understand if a player is held upright by two defenders, any additional defenders contact must be above the knees.
It doesn't matter if that contact is from the front, side, or back.
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| Quote: lister "From what I understand if a player is held upright by two defenders, any additional defenders contact must be above the knees.
It doesn't matter if that contact is from the front, side, or back.'"
So which one was a cannonball then as the first contact of this one (which everyone keeps bringing up) is clearly on the hip/thigh.
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| I cannot believe the usual Wigan suspects are even trying to defend this. The very idea of a player is launching into that kind of tackle, regardless of specific point of impact, appals fans of seemingly all other clubs; but the likes of Wigg'n just don't seem to get it.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I cannot believe the usual Wigan suspects are even trying to defend this. The very idea of a player is launching into that kind of tackle, regardless of specific point of impact, appals fans of seemingly all other clubs; but the likes of Wigg'n just don't seem to get it.'"
Explain why it is appalling to tackle a player at the hip please?
Soon you'll be suggesting players shouldn't tackle across the chest because it's too close to the head.
Here's a tip; watch Rangi Chase's cannonball that he got banned 7 games for, and then watch Powell's completely legitimate tackle. One is highly illegal, the other isn't. There is a line, as with every tackle. Take your faux outrage somewhere else.
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| All teams do this, I hate any late tackles, but this was above the knee.... Saddo is as usual in anti-Wigan-bile mode, have a day off muppet.
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| Contrary to the rabid knee-jerkers, making contact below the waist when a player is held isn't automatically a 'cannonball'. Many, many teams coach the 3rd man in to take the legs, but 99.9% of the time this simply means wrapping the legs up or making contact at the hip/waist to complete to tackle.
The actual law appears to beA defending player, in effecting a tackle, makes dangerous contact (either direct or indirect) with the supporting leg or legs of an attacking player who has been held in the tackle and who is deemed to be in a vulnerable position, in a way that involves an unacceptable risk of injury to that player.'"
The key point being 'unacceptable risk of injury'. The angle of contact and direction the joint moves in is absolutely taken into account. A side or front hit is naturally far more dangerous than coming in at the back of the knees. Coming in low and simply gathering the legs safely is fine. Astoundingly, each tackle is judged individually rather than a 'one-rule-fits-all' approach.
Rangi Chase showed us how not to do it. So have many others. The Powell tackle was awkward and unpleasant for the attacker, but not particularly dangerous - point of contact, oddly, is just below the backside, nowhere near the knees at all - so why the faux outrage I'm not sure. Wouldn't even have been a penalty in the NRL, just as it wasn't a penalty last night.
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| Quote: Cronus "Contrary to the rabid knee-jerkers, making contact below the waist when a player is held isn't automatically a 'cannonball'. Many, many teams coach the 3rd man in to take the legs, but 99.9% of the time this simply means wrapping the legs up or making contact at the hip/waist to complete to tackle.
The actual law appears to behttps://i58.tinypic.com/2ile9oh.jpg" >'"
Agreed, outlawing contact of ANY sort isn't the solution, it's the ones that do the damage at the knee joint whether that be a 'canonball' hit at speed or indeed one that involves less force but is clear can/will do damage because of how a player is standing/being held up.
Yesterday at the KC there were a fair few tackles from third man in to bring the player down which in itself is common place, of which one was maybe on the very borderline of having potential for injury but players didn't react as far as I could see and no penalty.
What we do want is clear and concise re-iteration to the players AND coaches as to what is/isn't acceptable so they are in no doubt as to where their responsibilities lies. the RFL need to continue to be pro-active in their approach to keeping the sport as safe as it can be (not just be reactionary when a situation like Chase's comes up.) whilst ensuring that we do not remove all aspects of physical contact which some on here seem to want,
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