FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > When Will It Be Best To Go For A Second NZ NRL Team? |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 10000 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2020 | Nov 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
8202.jpg [url=//www.facebook.com/wellsmotors:2svvs5eg][img:2svvs5eg]//i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd30/wellsy13/Wells%20Motors%20(Signature)_zps67e534e4.jpg[/img:2svvs5eg][/url:2svvs5eg]:8202.jpg |
|
| Well, just in case you hadn't heard yet, the Kiwis have just won their 3rd major title in 6 years, making them the most successful international side in the world at the moment. This off the back of only one team in the NRL. There are tons of Kiwis spread across the NRL at the moment in Aussie clubs (and they say British clubs have too many imports?!).
Surely this hotbed of RL needs a second NRL team? There must be an appetite for it somewhere. It would do wonders for the international game (creating more diehard league fans around NZ that will no doubt attend international games) as well as no doubt breed a lot more talented players not only for NZ, but for the Pacific Island nations (you know, the ones that are Kiwis until they stopped getting picked!). As daft as that sounds, it would most likely be the case that you'd see them improve because of the slack international eligibility laws, which can only be a bonus to the international game.
What ever happened to the Southern Orcas bid? It seems to have gone very quiet (weren't they even applying to play in the Super League at one point?!). The PNG bid seems to be making more noise than them at the moment. I just think it's a bit of a shame that we could be missing out on probably the best ever chance to expand the game in NZ whilst it's probably at the most popular level it's ever been at over there. At the same time though, the other bids in CC and Perth are very good. Would be amazing if we could fit them all in!
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1869 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2018 | Apr 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
51864_1312823830.gif Just Win, Baby
[b:38co1fbc]GIANTS RAIDERS TOFFEES[/b:38co1fbc]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_51864.gif |
|
| What about moving the Warriors to Eden Park, and establishing that as the base for Rugby in NZ. Then, change NZ Warriors to Warriors and Create a Wellington based team, playing at the Jade or Westpac.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 576 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2012 | Oct 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| 2013 is a foregone conclusion the CC and WA bid's are to far advanced to not be included into the NRL.
So the NZRL should be looking at getting a bid out Canterbury NZ underway for 2017 - do what the Titans did and the Bears are doing by just continually letting the NRL know that you want in. Get a crapload of Business Support and the community behind the bid.
Why I said them not Wellington is simple really - they would really only have one team to compete against (in terms of sponsership) and that's the Canterbury Crusaders. Now if they got in imagine the rivalry between the North island getting behind the Warriors and the South Island behind the team out of Canterbury (NZ)
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 14082 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2017 | Feb 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
9857_1341488583.jpg WEST COAST PIRATES
NRL expansion? Sometime soon, maybe......:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_9857.jpg |
|
| 2018, Southern whatevers. 9 games in Wellington and 3 in Christchurch. In the next 6 years until then get at least 3 NRL games played in each city per year, fund the NZRL to set up strong jnr programmes in each city, get a NSW cup side in from Wellington, more Int's in each city, SOO for NZ Sth V Nth.
Problem with NRL, unlike AFL, is it does zero prep work for introduction of new teams and is just reactive to whatever bids come along instead of having a long term vision and being proactive to make it happen.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 20966 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2015 | Feb 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
|
| Quote: Wellsy13What ever happened to the Southern Orcas bid?'" ]
Not a lot....the NZRL needed to sort out it's own house and has tried to....there is still one sticking point out of Auckland....but the national comp went well and the finals were televised on Sky......the next step will be the running of the comp next year with a higher profile....ie....backing and spending by the NZRL.
After that, it is an investment issue.....wellington council/corporation won't be financially backing a bid and the stadium trust for the cake tin will want paying for games up front...so it will need a benefactor who believes in League to get the bid to a break even stage.
I would agree that a 'split "
Not a lot....the NZRL needed to sort out it's own house and has tried to....there is still one sticking point out of Auckland....but the national comp went well and the finals were televised on Sky......the next step will be the running of the comp next year with a higher profile....ie....backing and spending by the NZRL.
After that, it is an investment issue.....wellington council/corporation won't be financially backing a bid and the stadium trust for the cake tin will want paying for games up front...so it will need a benefactor who believes in League to get the bid to a break even stage.
I would agree that a 'split" franchise, between Wellington and Christchurch is the way to go....but not until the money is there for a 5 year plan.
Other sports in the wellington region have seen a drop in attendances.....and although the Kiwis got 21k for the England game......international sport against the POME team is not the same as a season ticket.....5 years money minimum needed to build something up.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1437 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2010 | Nov 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Wellington average over 20,000 for NRL games.
We'll let them in soon. But not next round of expansion.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 20966 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2015 | Feb 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
|
| Quote: Old Darlin "Wellington average over 20,000 for NRL games.Quote: Old Darlin "]
really......how many games over a season was that....or was it a couple of games......over a number of seasons?
Wellington sports fans are a fickle bunch...as I have said before, ALL sports in the capital are strugling with crowds. The Warriors are based in the Auckland region for a reason......Mount Smart is located between Auckland and Manukau....because Manukau has the highest non-european population concentration in NZ....ie, it's pacifika!
Wellington is predominently European......any NRL Frnachise here will have to work bloody hard to get and keep fans........and I still say the best way forward is to develop the new national structure and competition first.....then when it can support itself, apply for a second team.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1437 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2010 | Nov 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| We'll get back to you when we are ready...
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 20966 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2015 | Feb 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
|
| Quote: Old Darlin "We'll get back to you when we are ready...
don't leave it too late......the NZRL comp may be of a better standard than the NRL sooner than you think
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1437 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2010 | Nov 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| That comment speaks volumes for your understanding of either country in rugby league.
lol
As I said, see you next round.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 12958 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2011 | Jul 2011 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| in 2013 the nrl is adding central coast bears and perth reds to the comp.
so 2018 would be the next expansion window and wellington and ipswich would then be favourites
the scary thing about the nrl is how many places are begging for a team
at least 20 - 22 teams is what we should aim for
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 576 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2012 | Oct 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Quote: dally messenger "in 2013 the nrl is adding central coast bears and perth reds to the comp.
so 2018 would be the next expansion window and wellington and ipswich would then be favourites
the scary thing about the nrl is how many places are begging for a team
at least 20 - 22 teams is what we should aim for'"
22 is what I think in years to come. And ideally like the NFL each team play's each other once a regular season therefore making the club games more of an occasion when they play each other.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 14082 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2017 | Feb 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
9857_1341488583.jpg WEST COAST PIRATES
NRL expansion? Sometime soon, maybe......:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_9857.jpg |
|
| will take significant increase in income by the NRL to afford 22 teams. Ideally the grant from the NRL would be in the $6-7million a club now. To get to 22 teams and fund them properly it would take at least a doubling of income on the NRL's part. Still a long way to go till we see that.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1822 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2016 | May 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
34025_1447092002.png THE ONLY WAY TO GET SMARTER IS BY PLAYING A SMARTER OPPONENT
How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sparring with the puppies?:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_34025.png |
|
| When someone has tens of millions of dollars going spare to market a club to an interested public outside Auckland. Very easily doable as soon as you have a mad butcher but on a much larger scale in terms of finances
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1437 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2010 | Nov 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Good old butcher.
|
|
|
|
|
|