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| With the league structure for 2019 and beyond still up in the air with no agreement in sight, I think we should go with the following as a compromise.
Super League 14 clubs, 27 rounds home + away and magic
Top 4 play off
Bottom 2 form middle 4 comp with with top 2 of Championship
Championship 14 clubs, 27 rounds home + away and bash
Top 2 form middle 4 Comp with bottom 2 of Super League
Middle 4 comp games as follows
13 SL 2 home 1 away
14 SL 1 home 2 away
1 CH 2 home 1 away
2 CH 1 home 2 away
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| Should go with the exact same next year as it’s too late now and have the system for 2020 decided on before the end of this year.
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| So who are the extra 4 teams we're adding into the league structure? If they're from League 1, what happens to the other 10 teams there?
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| Quote: CM Punk "So who are the extra 4 teams we're adding into the league structure? If they're from League 1, what happens to the other 10 teams there?'"
L1 becomes an open league. Pay your players or don't.
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| I'd go:
SL - 14 teams (One club relegated, Toronto, Tolouse and London come in). Home and away, 6 team play offs. Bottom club plays the Championship winner over two legs (home and away), winner gets the remaining SL spot. When you come up, you get one years' exemption from relegation to allow teams to plan for long term life in SL rather than just signing aging mercenaries to avoid the drop.
Championship - 12 teams (Bradford and York come in to backfill). Home and away then six extra fixtures based on league standings at that point, odds play evens (so if you're 1st at that point, your six extra fixtures are against whoever is 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th and 12th at that point). 4 team play offs (1 v 2, winner in final, loser plays winner of 3 v 4 for the other final spot). Bottom of Champ plays top of League 1 over two legs for final Champ spot. Again, one years' exemption from relegation if you come up.
League 1 - 10 teams (the remaining teams minus Hemel and West Wales), play each other three times. Top 3 play offs (i.e top v 2nd/3rd). I'd send Hemel and West Wales to play in the NCL division 2 where they will be more competitive. I don't think them getting hammered every week helps anyone. Let them re-apply to go into League 1 once they have earned promotion to NCL Premier.
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| Quote: RLRealist "L1 becomes an open league. Pay your players or don't.'"
Wow. What an inspiration for those clubs and players. Why didn't you suggest binning it off completely?
For the sport to really spread you need to encourage the lower leagues to be more professional and give them support rather than your suggestion of devaluing them. And yes, I know, there are no easy answers to this, but yours seems quite condecending.
FWIW I reckon the RFL tends to make it up as they go along. I doubt it will happen but it still wouldn't suprise me if we move to 14 teams in SL starting next season, but only if Toronto and either Toulouse or London were the extra 2. It wouldn't actually surprise me if they went to 13 teams either and would be a typically weird thing for them to choose. 13 or 14 is especially likely if Toronto fail to get promoted or Leeds find themselves relegated.
Basically, forget next year and just play things as they are now (and hope my team avoids relegation). Whatever happens close season is nothing any of us can influence anyway.
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| Quote: Gallanteer "Wow. What an inspiration for those clubs and players. Why didn't you suggest binning it off completely?
For the sport to really spread you need to encourage the lower leagues to be more professional and give them support rather than your suggestion of devaluing them. And yes, I know, there are no easy answers to this, but yours seems quite condecending.
FWIW I reckon the RFL tends to make it up as they go along. I doubt it will happen but it still wouldn't suprise me if we move to 14 teams in SL starting next season, but only if Toronto and either Toulouse or London were the extra 2. It wouldn't actually surprise me if they went to 13 teams either and would be a typically weird thing for them to choose. 13 or 14 is especially likely if Toronto fail to get promoted or Leeds find themselves relegated.
Basically, forget next year and just play things as they are now (and hope my team avoids relegation). Whatever happens close season is nothing any of us can influence anyway.'"
Odd number cancels Magic weekend
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| Quote: GUBRATS "Odd number cancels Magic weekend'"
Nope, just means one team gets a week off every round. And yes, its the sort of daft thing the RFL would try and would herald it as 'forward thinking' and 'doing it for player welfare' and any other such nonsensical statements in order to convince nobody that it would be a great decision.
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| Quote: Gallanteer "Nope, just means one team gets a week off every round.'"
Yes, one club gets Magic Weekend off.
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| Personally, I think it should move towards a conference system of 24 teams. Tell Sky we want money to cover all 24 sides and have a division underneath, which play each other home and away with the carrot of promotion still in place.
6 groups of 4 conferences.
Play own conference home and away (6 games)
Play every other team once (20 games)
Random Magic draw (1 game)
Top team from each conference go through to play offs along with highest placed 2nd teams.
Completely franchised.
Current 12 SL sides
Heritage teams: Leigh, Halifax, Bradford, Whitehaven, Doncaster
Expansion Teams: Toronto, London, Toulouse, York, Coventry, Newcastle, Sheffield
We're going to have to do something drastic and allowing city based clubs the Super League cash is the way to wider interest. All clubs given 3 year grace period from 2018-2021 to grow their business and put in place and then from 2021 bottom two worst performing teams each season play-off against top two community clubs to retain their place as it is now. Each newly promoted team gets one season's grace exemption from relegation.
Salary cap for both leagues to be the same across the board (£2.5m) to avoid the issue of a competitive edge and to allow new teams/potential franchises to start from the bottom a la Toronto and come into the game. Also means, there's an open door so teams like Featherstone can still get into the elite.
Completely random Conference Draw made in October straight after Grand Final, fixtures announced in November. Magic Weekend draw also random and takes place in October. Two separate Magic Weekends in the calendar 6 games one weekend in one venue + 1 from division below, 6 games on another weekend + 1 from division below.
Playoffs
Best performing v Wildcard 2
Second best v Wildcard 1
Third Best v Sixth Best
Fourth Best v Fifth Best
Double Header Neutral Venue
Winner Game 1 v Winner Game 4
Winner Game v Winner Game 3
Grand Final
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| Only in RL can the league structure still be up in the air for the following season when we are only 6 months from the start of the next season. I'm not happy with things as they are but i really don't see how things can change for 2019 at this point, whatever is decided needs to be for 2020.
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| The alternative is that someone is going to have to be really brave and say that because we're so localised we're stifling the game and that rugby league would be better served like cricket by moving to a county/regional game with a local club game underneath to support it and provide the foundations.
Yorkshire (underpinned by all Yorkshire clubs)
Lancashire (underpinned by all Manchester, Lancashire, Cheshire and Saints)
Cumbria (Whitehaven, Workington, Barrow)
Catalan Dragons
Toulouse
Coventry (Midlanders?)
Newcastle (North East)
Wales (underpinned by both Welsh clubs)
Toronto
London
10 Team Elite Comp with larger audience pull, most fans could go support the regional team as well as their club team. Don't have to drop affinity. Meaningful French derby, clear Welsh pathway. Actual Cumbrian presence.
Teams could have their HQ ground along with grounds they play at occasionally to give an event feel and attract new/local spectators.
Yorkshire - main ground Headingley with supporting games across Doncaster, Hull, York, Bradford, Huddersfield for example.
Lancashire - based at Wigan but could play at St Helens, Warrington, Leigh, Salford
Cumbria - based at Whitehaven let's say but could play at Carlisle, Workington, Barrow
Catalan- all played at Perpignan with games at Limoux, Barcelona, Girona
Toulouse - all played at Toulouse with games at Carcassone and the Aude region
Coventry (Midlanders?) - games played in Coventry along with other midland areas such as Wolverhampton, Birmingham, West Bromwich
Newcastle - games played at Newcastle. I think tribalism would stop anything else and I don't think they identified as being proud of being from Tyne and Wear with Newcastle, Gateshead, Sunderland and Middlesbrough on the same side
Wales - main games played in Newport or wherever they play now with games at Cardiff, Swansea etc
Toronto - games across Ontario
London - play across London based at Trailfinders at the moment but need to grow (Emirates, Olympic Stadium, New White Hart Lane, The Valley)
Whole point of this is that we don't want 10 clubs averaging 1500 each for the sport, we need 10 strong clubs spending loads of money and attracting the world's best players playing in front of 25000, 30000 fans each week.
County teams have always been a bit of a representative value at the side of SL but never the major focus. By making them the major focus you reduce the risk on clubs and poor crowds, you increase the affinity in the game and if someone in Cornwall wants to set up a Cornish side underpinned and backed by people with money then they can do.
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| Quote: Gallanteer "Nope, just means one team gets a week off every round. And yes, its the sort of daft thing the RFL would try and would herald it as 'forward thinking' and 'doing it for player welfare' and any other such nonsensical statements in order to convince nobody that it would be a great decision.'"
You cannot have an odd number of teams and an odd number of matches , I've been through this several times on here , it doesn't work
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| Fully you have come up with some of the most ridiculous, pie in the sky rubbish, that has ever been posted on RLfans.
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| Quote: Fully "The alternative is that someone is going to have to be really brave and say that because we're so localised we're stifling the game and that rugby league would be better served like cricket by moving to a county/regional game with a local club game underneath to support it and provide the foundations.
Yorkshire (underpinned by all Yorkshire clubs)
Lancashire (underpinned by all Manchester, Lancashire, Cheshire and Saints)
Cumbria (Whitehaven, Workington, Barrow)
Catalan Dragons
Toulouse
Coventry (Midlanders?)
Newcastle (North East)
Wales (underpinned by both Welsh clubs)
Toronto
London
10 Team Elite Comp with larger audience pull, most fans could go support the regional team as well as their club team. Don't have to drop affinity. Meaningful French derby, clear Welsh pathway. Actual Cumbrian presence.
Teams could have their HQ ground along with grounds they play at occasionally to give an event feel and attract new/local spectators.
Yorkshire - main ground Headingley with supporting games across Doncaster, Hull, York, Bradford, Huddersfield for example.
Lancashire - based at Wigan but could play at St Helens, Warrington, Leigh, Salford
Cumbria - based at Whitehaven let's say but could play at Carlisle, Workington, Barrow
Catalan- all played at Perpignan with games at Limoux, Barcelona, Girona
Toulouse - all played at Toulouse with games at Carcassone and the Aude region
Coventry (Midlanders?) - games played in Coventry along with other midland areas such as Wolverhampton, Birmingham, West Bromwich
Newcastle - games played at Newcastle. I think tribalism would stop anything else and I don't think they identified as being proud of being from Tyne and Wear with Newcastle, Gateshead, Sunderland and Middlesbrough on the same side
Wales - main games played in Newport or wherever they play now with games at Cardiff, Swansea etc
Toronto - games across Ontario
London - play across London based at Trailfinders at the moment but need to grow (Emirates, Olympic Stadium, New White Hart Lane, The Valley)
Whole point of this is that we don't want 10 clubs averaging 1500 each for the sport, we need 10 strong clubs spending loads of money and attracting the world's best players playing in front of 25000, 30000 fans each week.
County teams have always been a bit of a representative value at the side of SL but never the major focus. By making them the major focus you reduce the risk on clubs and poor crowds, you increase the affinity in the game and if someone in Cornwall wants to set up a Cornish side underpinned and backed by people with money then they can do.'" can't believe you took time out to post that
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