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McGuire in at scrum half for Williams
Cudjoe in for Bateman at Centre
McGillvary in for Burgess on the wing.

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Quote: Worlds Apart "McGuire in at scrum half for Williams
Cudjoe in for Bateman at Centre
McGillvary in for Burgess on the wing.'"

Just Graham and Hardaker. Change the rest!

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I'd bring Westwood in for one of the 2nd rowers, and Cudjoe into the centres.

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I'd change the coach and play with 11 men - it would be better to leave the half-backs off the pitch.

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I'd put Gale in for Widdop. Generally I wouldn't advocate changing halfbacks mid test series, but on today's showing it really is necessary. I know Williams was very poor too, but he's a young kid with plenty of room for growth, whereas I'm not sure Widdop's excuse. Beyond that, maybe Cudjoe left centre with Bateman into the pack for Farrell. I'd also really want to drop Mike Cooper but given we have only picked 3 other props in the squad, that isn't really possible

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1. Hardaker
2. McGilvary
3. Watkins
4. Cudjoe
5. Hall
6. Widdop
7. Gale
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Hill
11. Bateman
12. Ferres
13. O'Loughlin

14. Hodgson
15. Burgess
16. Cooper
17. Currie

I don't think Joe Burgess has done anything wrong at all, I just think we need more grunt at the back.
I don't think Bateman has done anything wrong either but he's a second rower not a centre. It might work for Wigan but not at international level.

I think we need Roby on from the start. He gets us moving forward better. Have Hodgson spell him for 15 mins or so.

I think the backrow including O'Loughlin has been poor aside from Ferres who looks the only one who's going to run a line. So have him start alongside Bateman with Currie on the bench.

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If you're bringing Leroy and jerry in then, to me, you have to play them together, they have been on fire at in the last 1/3rd of the season

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A bit of dabbling in the backs won't change anything if the forwards don't run onto the ball but take it standing still. There are more fundamental issues to address than the personnel.

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Quote: Dally "A bit of dabbling in the backs won't change anything if the forwards don't run onto the ball but take it standing still. There are more fundamental issues to address than the personnel.'"

This.
We need to play with a much faster tempo.
Roby for 80 minutes is a must for me.
We have two great wingers - use them.
We will win next week but a change of coach is inevitable after today's debacle.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "This.
We need to play with a much faster tempo.
Roby for 80 minutes is a must for me.
We have two great wingers - use them.
We will win next week but a change of coach is inevitable after today's debacle.'"

To get the ball to the wingers the forwards need to turn up and we need a link. As the half backs are incapable of providing it I'm not sure who will - O'Loughlin I guess?

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Give Watkins more ball.
Put Williams on the left and have him feed and feed off Williams as he has done all season.
Put some decent kicks up for Hall and Hardaker to chase.
Have Watkins switch sides to confuse them.
Freedom to offload - I can barely remember any second phases.
Let Graham pass more, he's just being used as a truck 95% of the time.

But as already said most of this relies on the pack playing well and winning the collision, it didn't today. Tbh neither side got on top enough to create much.

I wonder if the NZ fans are saying RTS should be replaced?

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Exactly the same issues which were apparent after the first Test.

1) Our halves are dismally failing to provide any attacking threat, and are starving the backs of the ball. Their kicking game is also woeful. The halfback situation has to change. It was always ridiculous that Maguire wasn't in the squad, but Gale is, and he should play in the third Test. I don't rate Smith very highly, but I'd be tempted to switch both Williams and Widdop out for Gale and Smith. Smith has a kicking game, and Gale is willing to try attacking rugby. But something needs to happen here, or it'll be the same story in Wigan.

2) We need two centres. One on each side. How easy must it be for NZ to defend when the know that any rare move down the left is likely to collapse because we've a second-row playing centre. We need to put Cudjoe in there to provide an actual attacking threat - ideally with him receiving some ball from a changed half-back pairing.

I'd like to see Westwood brought back in, if only to put a really aggressive player in there alongside Graham and Burgess. Probably can't afford both him and O'Loughlin from the penalty angle, though.

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



I fail to see what widdop brings

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Bring in Westwood for Farrell

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Bring in Westwood for Farrell'"

Long term Westwood's international career is over, but this is a test series decider, a one-off, so his aggression and ability to play 80 minutes should get him in the side ahead of either Farrel or Whitehead, who offered nothing in attack. McGilveray 's extra grunt deserves a shot on the wing over Burgess who did nowt wrong but doesn't suit these tight defensive encounters. Pity Shenton is not in the squad, but Cudjoe has to replace Bateman if we're to have any attacking threat in the centres. Not sure about the halves: after two games they are hardly 'bedded in' but a change now could completely destabilize the team structure that worked quite well in Hull.

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