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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



43,865 for the games on Monday.......... A bit of a drop from the last round of fixtures.....average of 7,311 which was what the competition average was before the weekend. Whilst the attendances that were rightly lauded were great, it does look like they were simply papering over the cracks and the question has to be asked, "where were the 35,308 fans who rocked up on Thursday/Friday on Easter Monday?

30 minutes by car from Wigan to Salford yet only 4,017 bothered?
Wakefield is a 10 minute drive from Leeds......6,785....pitiful.....in fact, more than that, disgraceful!



17,247 watched Ipswich Town get relegated to the 3rd tier of football at the weekend.........nearly 7,000 more that watched the 2017 and 2018 SL champions combined....our sport (and the clubs at it's head) need to sort out this issue,because fewer fans at games will have a massive impact on the TV deal ad no amount of selective back slapping will fool those who hold the purse strings

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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Look at the teams who were playing at home on Monday, no real surprise.

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Quote: Call Me God "43,865 for the games on Monday.......... A bit of a drop from the last round of fixtures.....average of 7,311 which was what the competition average was before the weekend. Whilst the attendances that were rightly lauded were great, it does look like they were simply papering over the cracks and the question has to be asked, "where were the 35,308 fans who rocked up on Thursday/Friday on Easter Monday?

30 minutes by car from Wigan to Salford yet only 4,017 bothered?
Wakefield is a 10 minute drive from Leeds......6,785....pitiful.....in fact, more than that, disgraceful!



17,247 watched Ipswich Town get relegated to the 3rd tier of football at the weekend.........nearly 7,000 more that watched the 2017 and 2018 SL champions combined....our sport (and the clubs at it's head) need to sort out this issue,because fewer fans at games will have a massive impact on the TV deal ad no amount of selective back slapping will fool those who hold the purse strings'"
I understand your what your saying but comparing football and rugby is chalk and cheese

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The Monday games are awful. The fixtures are boring and the standard is poor.

As a kid I used to love 2 games in 3 days, now it's an absolute choir and the players hate it. Old saying in life, you can have too much of a good thing. Scrap Easter Monday and maybe expand the Easter weekend so all 6 games are televised with derby games (maybe London v Toronto could be the derby for 2020 over Easter)

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Don't blame Wigan fans for the Salford attendance, I'd estimate there was around 1k away fans, which isn't bad for the 2nd away game there in a month at £27 a go!

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Quote: CM Punk "Don't blame Wigan fans for the Salford attendance, I'd estimate there was around 1k away fans, which isn't bad for the 2nd away game there in a month at £27 a go!'"
the way they walked out of the stadium on Friday they probably had enough

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Quote: Towns88 "The Monday games are awful. The fixtures are boring and the standard is poor.

As a kid I used to love 2 games in 3 days, now it's an absolute choir and the players hate it. Old saying in life, you can have too much of a good thing. Scrap Easter Monday and maybe expand the Easter weekend so all 6 games are televised with derby games (maybe London v Toronto could be the derby for 2020 over Easter)'"

This.

Get rid of the Easter Monday fixture. I can’t justify taking up both bank holidays with watching the rugby. 1 I can get away with.

Plus the quality is understandably lower and it knackers our players out in a league that already plays too many games with not big enough squads.

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Quote: Him "This.

Get rid of the Easter Monday fixture. I can’t justify taking up both bank holidays with watching the rugby. 1 I can get away with.

Plus the quality is understandably lower and it knackers our players out in a league that already plays too many games with not big enough squads.'"


I said the same thing yesterday - this Easter thing has run its course for me; the modern game is far too high impact to expect players to manage 2 games with a 48-72 hour turnaround, and watching them drag themselves out for the Monday game, busted and exhausted, is positively painful - I kept expecting Big Dave Fifita to turn to the North Stand, arms aloft, and shout "Are you not entertained?!"

Get rid for me - it's wrong, and wreaks havoc in terms of player welfare.

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Quote: Him "This.

Get rid of the Easter Monday fixture. I can’t justify taking up both bank holidays with watching the rugby. 1 I can get away with.

Plus the quality is understandably lower and it knackers our players out in a league that already plays too many games with not big enough squads.'"


If Sky want something to show on both days, they could spilt the fixtures which, although still meaning some faffing around to get everyone back to their "regular" match days, would still give them the screen filler that they need.

I still dont get why they dont want to include some of the "better" Championship fixtures.

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Quote: CM Punk "Don't blame Wigan fans for the Salford attendance, I'd estimate there was around 1k away fans, which isn't bad for the 2nd away game there in a month at £27 a go!'"


Only had to do a couple of laps of the Stadium to find somebody willing to sell me my £27 ticket as well.

No surprise the crowds aren’t rocking up at the AJ Bell.

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Quote: Towns88 "The Monday games are awful. The fixtures are boring and the standard is poor.

As a kid I used to love 2 games in 3 days, now it's an absolute choir and the players hate it. Old saying in life, you can have too much of a good thing. Scrap Easter Monday and maybe expand the Easter weekend so all 6 games are televised with derby games (maybe London v Toronto could be the derby for 2020 over Easter)'"

Is this not like Magic Weekend ? icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Call Me God "43,865 for the games on Monday.......... A bit of a drop from the last round of fixtures.....average of 7,311 which was what the competition average was before the weekend. Whilst the attendances that were rightly lauded were great, it does look like they were simply papering over the cracks and the question has to be asked, "where were the 35,308 fans who rocked up on Thursday/Friday on Easter Monday?

30 minutes by car from Wigan to Salford yet only 4,017 bothered?
Wakefield is a 10 minute drive from Leeds......6,785....pitiful.....in fact, more than that, disgraceful!



17,247 watched Ipswich Town get relegated to the 3rd tier of football at the weekend.........nearly 7,000 more that watched the 2017 and 2018 SL champions combined....our sport (and the clubs at it's head) need to sort out this issue,because fewer fans at games will have a massive impact on the TV deal ad no amount of selective back slapping will fool those who hold the purse strings'"


Ipswich got relegated two weeks ago when we drew against Birmingham and it could be argued we've been down since March given our poor form. Also, our attendances are well down on what they were 10 years ago, falling as low as 13-14k under Mick McCarthy last season. It's only improved as alienated fans have returned. We averaged 19k-23k in the mid 2000s.

However, comparing these is like chalk and cheese. We have 15.5k home fans and 12.5k season ticket holders. No away club has ever taken 10k fans to an away game barring major events, so you're left with home support.

We're also in a sport where we're saturated by the amount of times we play teams. In football, you play a team once home and away. In the stupid new loopy system you can play the same team 3 teams in the league, 4 times including play-offs, 5 if you meet in the cup and 6 if you meet in the Grand Final. 7 if you play a pre-season friendly against each other. It's too much.

You want fans to travel to a game you have to make it unique or a rarity. Cas have got Leeds at Headingley again in two weeks. It may be down the road but why would fans be bothered about attending again when you've done it once already? Playing at Elland Road made it more of an event and attracted fans including neutrals.

There's also the excitement of playing different teams in football and doing the '92' because there's more teams - unlikely in rugby league!

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



The Easter Monday game always seems to be a bit of a car crash for us we always seem to get beat I remember winning the derby then getting beat 6-84 by Wigan on the Monday

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



The Average BEFORE the round 11 fixtures was about 7,800.......the average in round 12 was again a number beginning with the digit "7".......but because we had a bumper round, the powers that be were spinning it as a positive.....the reality is that crowds are on the slide and with the loop fixtures to come, I still don't think that we will see an increase.
The clubs and the powers that be need to come up with marketing initiatives and schemes to attract new fans to games, not ones that simply milk more money from the existing fan base.

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For some positive spin. The combined gate over the whole weekend was 8000 more than in 2018.

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