FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Cannonball tackles
98 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner29212No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
6310_1310045241.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6310.jpg



How long until the powers that be finally outlaw this immoral technique? Do we really have to wait until a young man has his career ended or is left unable to walk again before it happens?

Why wait for the outcome to be severe enough before taking action?

It's so annoying that nothing has been done about it. It's possibly the easiest rule change to make as well. Just make it that if a player is held on his upper body, no other player can apply any force to the legs, only grabs are allowed. You slam into the knee after they are held and you get a red card and you sit out a month. Simple.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2862
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2017Dec 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
47753_1430033772.jpg
JOHN THE REDBOY I have been a rovers fan all my life and my grandkids are as well:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47753.jpg



Quote: Saddened! "How long until the powers that be finally outlaw this immoral technique? Do we really have to wait until a young man has his career ended or is left unable to walk again before it happens?

Why wait for the outcome to be severe enough before taking action?

It's so annoying that nothing has been done about it. It's possibly the easiest rule change to make as well. Just make it that if a player is held on his upper body, no other player can apply any force to the legs, only grabs are allowed. You slam into the knee after they are held and you get a red card and you sit out a month. Simple.'"

Well said eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif eusa_clap.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3294No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2023Jul 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
19316.jpg
Englands Ashes :):19316.jpg



I put this on here last month it should be punished a lot more severly than the shoulder charge imo

RankPostsTeam
International Star578No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2019Jan 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Agreed. In the NRL, third man in cannot hit below the knee.

We could adopt same from next week. Just announce that third man in contacting below the knee will be deemed dangerous play and penalised.

Mind you, would give Wane even more to worry about in training this week..

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13190No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world' Yves Le Prieur, the real inventor of the aqualung:



Be interesting to see if Powell get a call to HQ, Chase getting his ban should have sent the message, now we need another big ban to show the RFL are serious.

RankPostsTeam
International Star7122No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
59880_1480501182.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_59880.jpg



Second time Powell has done that this year. Long ban should be coming his way.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman5891
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
72_1436204362.png
| [url=http://twitter.com/mklister:257u1mz5]Twitter[/url:257u1mz5] | [url=http://www.topcashback.co.uk/ref/lister:257u1mz5]TopCashBack[/url:257u1mz5] | [url=http://www.squadbuilder.co.uk/:257u1mz5]Warrington Wolves Squadbuilder[/url:257u1mz5] | [url=https://www.tcs.com:257u1mz5]Tata Consultancy Services[/url:257u1mz5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_72.png



How Silverwood said it wasn't a cannonball shocked me.

RankPostsTeam
International Star7558
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



In this thread: nobody that knows what a cannonball tackle is.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman5891
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
72_1436204362.png
| [url=http://twitter.com/mklister:257u1mz5]Twitter[/url:257u1mz5] | [url=http://www.topcashback.co.uk/ref/lister:257u1mz5]TopCashBack[/url:257u1mz5] | [url=http://www.squadbuilder.co.uk/:257u1mz5]Warrington Wolves Squadbuilder[/url:257u1mz5] | [url=https://www.tcs.com:257u1mz5]Tata Consultancy Services[/url:257u1mz5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_72.png



From what I understand if a player is held upright by two defenders, any additional defenders contact must be above the knees.

It doesn't matter if that contact is from the front, side, or back.

RankPostsTeam
International Star7558
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: lister "From what I understand if a player is held upright by two defenders, any additional defenders contact must be above the knees.

It doesn't matter if that contact is from the front, side, or back.'"


So which one was a cannonball then as the first contact of this one (which everyone keeps bringing up) is clearly on the hip/thigh.



RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3092No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2023Feb 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
22575.gif
"Brian McDermott, with a wry smile, nods when asked if he remembers a specific incident which made him realise he was a prick. 'I do', he murmurs.":22575.gif



I cannot believe the usual Wigan suspects are even trying to defend this. The very idea of a player is launching into that kind of tackle, regardless of specific point of impact, appals fans of seemingly all other clubs; but the likes of Wigg'n just don't seem to get it.

RankPostsTeam
International Star7558
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Sep 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I cannot believe the usual Wigan suspects are even trying to defend this. The very idea of a player is launching into that kind of tackle, regardless of specific point of impact, appals fans of seemingly all other clubs; but the likes of Wigg'n just don't seem to get it.'"


Explain why it is appalling to tackle a player at the hip please?

Soon you'll be suggesting players shouldn't tackle across the chest because it's too close to the head.

Here's a tip; watch Rangi Chase's cannonball that he got banned 7 games for, and then watch Powell's completely legitimate tackle. One is highly illegal, the other isn't. There is a line, as with every tackle. Take your faux outrage somewhere else.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5846
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg
Officially RLFAN's most Doe-eyed Happy Clapper. Big Steve wrote: The Internet has provided some wonderful creativity, opportunities and knowledge sharing but it has also given a worldwide forum for people you would leave a full pint behind in the pub to avoid having to listen to them. aboveusonlypie... If you don't bother to go to the game when you live in the locality then you are not really a fan and therefore your views are invalid. It's simple.:icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg



All teams do this, I hate any late tackles, but this was above the knee.... Saddo is as usual in anti-Wigan-bile mode, have a day off muppet.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach7152
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2020Jun 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
12389.gif
:12389.gif



Contrary to the rabid knee-jerkers, making contact below the waist when a player is held isn't automatically a 'cannonball'. Many, many teams coach the 3rd man in to take the legs, but 99.9% of the time this simply means wrapping the legs up or making contact at the hip/waist to complete to tackle.

The actual law appears to beA defending player, in effecting a tackle, makes dangerous contact (either direct or indirect) with the supporting leg or legs of an attacking player who has been held in the tackle and who is deemed to be in a vulnerable position, in a way that involves an unacceptable risk of injury to that player.'"

The key point being 'unacceptable risk of injury'. The angle of contact and direction the joint moves in is absolutely taken into account. A side or front hit is naturally far more dangerous than coming in at the back of the knees. Coming in low and simply gathering the legs safely is fine. Astoundingly, each tackle is judged individually rather than a 'one-rule-fits-all' approach.

Rangi Chase showed us how not to do it. So have many others. The Powell tackle was awkward and unpleasant for the attacker, but not particularly dangerous - point of contact, oddly, is just below the backside, nowhere near the knees at all - so why the faux outrage I'm not sure. Wouldn't even have been a penalty in the NRL, just as it wasn't a penalty last night.



RankPostsTeam
International Chairman1468
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 1970Jun 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Cronus "Contrary to the rabid knee-jerkers, making contact below the waist when a player is held isn't automatically a 'cannonball'. Many, many teams coach the 3rd man in to take the legs, but 99.9% of the time this simply means wrapping the legs up or making contact at the hip/waist to complete to tackle.

The actual law appears to behttp://i58.tinypic.com/2ile9oh.jpg" >'"

Agreed, outlawing contact of ANY sort isn't the solution, it's the ones that do the damage at the knee joint whether that be a 'canonball' hit at speed or indeed one that involves less force but is clear can/will do damage because of how a player is standing/being held up.
Yesterday at the KC there were a fair few tackles from third man in to bring the player down which in itself is common place, of which one was maybe on the very borderline of having potential for injury but players didn't react as far as I could see and no penalty.

What we do want is clear and concise re-iteration to the players AND coaches as to what is/isn't acceptable so they are in no doubt as to where their responsibilities lies. the RFL need to continue to be pro-active in their approach to keeping the sport as safe as it can be (not just be reactionary when a situation like Chase's comes up.) whilst ensuring that we do not remove all aspects of physical contact which some on here seem to want,

98 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
98 posts in 8 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


4.9677734375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rumours thread
Khlav Kalash
2411
3m
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
118
6m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Exeter Rhino
10074
9m
Leigh it is
Warrior Wing
61
20m
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
23m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62563
48m
Squad 2024
faxcar
735
57m
Film game
Boss Hog
4031
Recent
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
Recent
Shopping list for 2025
UllFC
5302
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Proposed rule changes 2025
MjM
6
1m
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
1m
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
1m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Mr Snoodle
8
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
UllFC
3305
1m
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62563
3m
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
4m
Former players
Jemmo
1309
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
TODAY
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
TODAY
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
TODAY
Guest appearance
Kick and cha
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
matt_wire
14
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
MjM
6
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Wigan Bull
13
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
Khlav Kalash
17
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Kevin Turvey
10
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Mr Snoodle
8
TODAY
2025 Squad
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
2024 Season Review
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
McNamara interview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
French Elite 1 season 2024/2025 Thread
Jimmythecuck
3
TODAY
5024
Butcher
7
TODAY
2025 membership/renewals
Chris71
38
TODAY
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
1
TODAY
Kai
Cokey
8
TODAY
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
TODAY
Wakefield v Dons - Sunday 29 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
The play-offs
Ckt2487
11
TODAY
This years play off series
matt_wire
3
TODAY
Leigh it is
Warrior Wing
61
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Play Off SF
Cokey
2
TODAY
Must do better
Wires71
29
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Break Saints Hearts With Golden Point Win
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
626
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
664
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1119
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1373
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1120
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1534
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1247
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1476
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1621
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1892
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1586
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1656
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1842
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1661
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
2110
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.63M 1,810 80,12914,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TOMORROW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R29
20:00
Hull KR
v
Warrington
 Sat 5th Oct
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R29
17:30
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sun 6th Oct
     National Rugby League 2024-R31
09:30
Melbourne
v
Penrith
       League One 2024-R26
15:00
Keighley
v
Hunslet
       Championship 2024-R29
15:00
Bradford
v
Featherstone
15:00
York
v
Widnes
     Womens Super League 2024-R16
16:30
York V
v
St.HelensW
 Sun 27th Oct
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov
     Womens Internationals 2024-R2
12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 4th Oct
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Warrington
Sat 5th Oct
SL
17:30
Wigan-Leigh
Sun 6th Oct
L1
15:00
Keighley-Hunslet
WSL2024
16:30
York V-St.HelensW
NRL
09:30
Melbourne-Penrith
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 29th Sep
L1 25 Rochdale26-46Hunslet
CH 28 Barrow24-26Widnes
CH 28 Bradford50-0Swinton
CH 28 Dewsbury28-8Sheffield
CH 28 Wakefield72-6Doncaster
CH 28 Whitehaven23-20Halifax
CH 28 York16-6Featherstone
Sat 28th Sep
CH 28 Toulouse64-16Batley
SL 28 Warrington23-22St.Helens
NRL 30 Penrith26-6Cronulla
Fri 27th Sep
SL 28 Salford6-14Leigh
NRL 30 Melbourne48-18Sydney
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Warrington 28 761 341 420 42
Hull KR 27 719 327 392 42
Leigh 28 580 404 176 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 26 1010 262 748 50
Toulouse 25 744 368 376 35
Bradford 26 678 387 291 34
York 27 655 469 186 30
Widnes 26 551 475 76 29
Featherstone 26 622 500 122 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Rumours thread
Khlav Kalash
2411
3m
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
118
6m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Exeter Rhino
10074
9m
Leigh it is
Warrior Wing
61
20m
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
23m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62563
48m
Squad 2024
faxcar
735
57m
Film game
Boss Hog
4031
Recent
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
Recent
Shopping list for 2025
UllFC
5302
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Proposed rule changes 2025
MjM
6
1m
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
1m
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
1m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Mr Snoodle
8
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
UllFC
3305
1m
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62563
3m
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
4m
Former players
Jemmo
1309
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
TODAY
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
TODAY
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
TODAY
Guest appearance
Kick and cha
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
matt_wire
14
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
MjM
6
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Wigan Bull
13
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
Khlav Kalash
17
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Kevin Turvey
10
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Mr Snoodle
8
TODAY
2025 Squad
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
2024 Season Review
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
McNamara interview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
French Elite 1 season 2024/2025 Thread
Jimmythecuck
3
TODAY
5024
Butcher
7
TODAY
2025 membership/renewals
Chris71
38
TODAY
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
1
TODAY
Kai
Cokey
8
TODAY
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
TODAY
Wakefield v Dons - Sunday 29 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
The play-offs
Ckt2487
11
TODAY
This years play off series
matt_wire
3
TODAY
Leigh it is
Warrior Wing
61
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Play Off SF
Cokey
2
TODAY
Must do better
Wires71
29
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Break Saints Hearts With Golden Point Win
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
626
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
664
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1119
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1373
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1120
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1534
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1247
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1476
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1621
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1892
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1586
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1656
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1842
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1661
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
2110


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!