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| What if injuries, illness and selfish club bosses had not blocked Australia and England from fielding their best teams?
What would the two teams have looked like?
(I would exclude Jarryd Hayne and Samuel Burgess from consideration because they had decided to leave the code for a rival code of football).
AUSTRALIA
William Slater
Brett Morris, Gregory Inglis, Michael Jennings/Justin Hodges, Darius Boyd
Johnathan Thurston
Cooper Cronk
Paul Gallen
Gregory Bird, Samuel Thaiday
James Tamou, Cameron Smith, Matthew Scott
InterchangeENGLAND
Samuel Tomkins
Ryan Hall, Kallum Watkins/Daniel Sarginson, Jack Reed, Joshua Charnley/Joseph Burgess,
Gareth Widdop
Matthew Smith
Sean O'Loughlin
Ben Westwood, Brett Ferres,
James Graham, James Roby, George Burgess
Interchange: Darryl Clarke, Christopher Hill, Thomas Burgess, Elliot Whitehead
Now which team would have benefited most from full player availability for national selection? Johnathan Thurston alone would probably be worth 12 points for Australia.
What would that have done to the prospects of the English team and the self-confidence of English rugby league players?
So let us all stop moaning about England's narrow loss of a place in the final. The team was lucky that Australia was so weakened.
England will have to improve greatly over the next three years to be able to compete with Australia in the 2017 World Cup.
England will also need the return of the prodigal son Samuel Burgess, and pray that existing stars James Graham, Ryan Hall and Darryl Clarke are not injured, if it is to compete in 2017.
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| What if you stopped posting pointless threads?
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| Quote: Starbug "What if you stopped posting pointless threads?'"
There is a point. You have not grasped it.
England was not humiliated in this series because it was relatively well off, compared to Australia, in terms of available talent being allowed to play for their country.
It may not be so lucky next time.
On the brighter side for England, we now know for sure that James Graham is definitely the world's best prop, the Burgess twins and Christopher Hill are world class, and Darryl Clarke and Daniel Sarginson are stars in the making.
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| What if my auntie had a diggle, would she be my uncle?
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "There is a point. You have not grasped it.
England was not humiliated in this series because it was relatively well off, compared to Australia, in terms of available talent being allowed to play for their country.
It may not be so lucky next time.
On the brighter side for England, we now know for sure that James Graham is definitely the world's best prop, the Burgess twins and Christopher Hill are world class, and Darryl Clarke and Daniel Sarginson are stars in the making.'"
No the point you havent grasped is its RL, players are always injured and unavailable
So pointless speculating
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| England would still lose, this time by more.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "
Ben Westwood'"
Please, come on, Benjamin surely?
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| The scoreline would be something like 44-4.
To Australia, obviously.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "Please, come on, Benjamin surely?'"
Ablett should be slung in the mix.
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| Quote: William Eve "The scoreline would be something like 44-4.
To Australia, obviously.'"
Another ' mystic Meg '
Stick to your facts billy, not mindless speculation
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| I'd suggest Slater and Thurston may never play England again at their age.
Do the Aussies have enough coming through?
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| Quote: Starbug "Another ' mystic Meg '
The last time we ran a depleted Australian team close in 2003 and proceeded to high five each other (despite still losing the series 3-0) and follow it up with Golden Boot best player in the world awards, we then got hammered 44-4.
I'd call it historical precedent as opposed to mindless speculation.
As you were.
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| Quote: William Eve "The last time we ran a depleted Australian team close in 2003 and proceeded to high five each other (despite still losing the series 3-0) and follow it up with Golden Boot best player in the world awards, we then got hammered 44-4.
I'd call it historical precedent as opposed to mindless speculation.
As you were.'"
That Golden Boot award to Andrew Farrell was a scandal.
For this year it has to be between James Graham and Shaun Johnson.
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| Quote: William Eve "The last time we ran a depleted Australian team close in 2003 and proceeded to high five each other (despite still losing the series 3-0) and follow it up with Golden Boot best player in the world awards, we then got hammered 44-4.
I'd call it historical precedent as opposed to mindless speculation.
As you were.'"
There is as much chance of any country being depleted next time, so pointless to speculate
What is up for discussion is should another International tournament take place without neutral officials?
My opinion , NO
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "That Golden Boot award was a scandal.
For this year it has to be between James Graham and Shaun Johnson.'"
If the Brighouse constituency get to gerrymander the golden boot vote again as they did in 2012, then Danny Brough must surely be a shoe-in for 2014?
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