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| What are people's thoughts on this tactic?
The last couple of times I've seen Wigan play, they have won at least two penalties during the match by deliberately trapping the ball when feeding a scrum in their own 20 yard area. The opposition break early and Wigan get the differential penalty.
Last night in particular, this tactic helped them salvage something from the game, as it was exactly this type of penalty that put them in the position to score the try at the death.
So what do people think? Are Wigan being clever here? Should we blame the opposition for a lack of concentration? Or is there a slight hint of a lack of sportsmanship about doing something like this?
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| Clever play IMO.
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| It's happened enough for teams to pick up on it now. Soon enough it won't get them anywhere.
At least it's not cannonball tackling which was also a tactic Wigan brought in because there wasn't anything in the rules against it. This is also the case for the rolling and trapping of players.
These things emerge - usually at Wigan - teams and officials wise up eventually and then it falls flat until the next one.
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| Cummings mentioned this when Leeds played at Salford and employed the same tactic, something along the lines of;
[iFour or five years ago we changed the rules on teams were trapping the ball at the back of the scrum, it's taken until now for teams to trap it at the second row of the scrum.[/i
Teams are still caught out by pushing at the scrum; if a team traps the ball in the scrum, don't break early, push.
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| It seems some teams and coaches don't care about spoiling the game for supporters as long as they can achieve a win.
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| No problem with using the scrum as a bit more than just a basic restart, rolling the ball between the second row's legs. If we're not going to allow a few clever plays we may as well just restart with a play the ball everytime.
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| Just a clever tactic, like pushing at the scrum - which I was surprised Wigan didn't do late on last night, but NZ Warriors have done to good effect a few times.
If teams don't pick up on it and react accordingly they've only themselves to blame.
I admit it's annoying as hell though, I remember playing against an amateur team who did it loads and cheap penalties like that do your nut in.
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| Perfectly within the rules for them to do so, clever play IMO. Of course you are relying on the ref applying the rules properly, and let's face it some of them appear not to know of the differential penalty.
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| All Wigan have done is take advantage of the opposition trying to cheat, by not binding properly and breaking early to form a defensive pattern.
If teams packed down properly, this penalty wouldn't occur.
HKR were the ones cheating the rules!
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| Quote: dboy "All Wigan have done is take advantage of the opposition trying to cheat, by not binding properly and breaking early to form a defensive pattern.
If teams packed down properly, this penalty wouldn't occur.
HKR were the ones cheating the rules!'"
Grow up pal. No one was cheating. All teams use the rules to their advantage. Wigan were laying on a lot in the first half, trying to give their defensive line chance to get into place which IMO if you can get away with it then fine.
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| Of all the grubby tactics that Wigan employ, trapping the ball in the scrum is the least egregious.
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| To suggest Hull KR were trying to cheat by breaking early is ridiculous. Teams are used to the scrum being quick and the ball out almost immediately it's put in so ALL teams automatically break from the scrum almost immediately.
Hull KR were caught out that's all.
As for the tactic of keeping the ball in the scrum, there's nothing wrong with it. Teams need to adapt and push in the scrum to combat it.
I think it's great, I think we need more pushing in the scrum and could do with the occasional scrum being won against the head. Bring it back as an additional tactic teams can use if they want to.
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| It was good play. HKR jumped the gun by ASSUMING the ref was about to call the ball in play, but he (correctly) didn't. If HKR had waited for the ref to call they would have had no problem. They chose to take a risk to gain a split second advantage, and it didn't pay off.
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| Wigan are probably the best team at "earning" their time on the tackle.
They get plenty of players involved in contact and they ensure that the tackled player ends up on their back.
Like it or not, technique does allow them that extra time to peel off.
If the ball carrier breaks the tackle or lands facing forwards, the tacklers have no such privilege.
It's down to who wins collision.
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| Quote: bren2k "Of all the grubby tactics that Wigan employ, trapping the ball in the scrum is the least egregious.'"
Amen to this.
Does your head in though as a fan!
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