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| After Saturdays immense disappointment I've never been more gutted after an international game, right up there with a big club loss, never really felt any real depth of feeling for the England brand, always felt Great Britain was bigger. But I think Saturday turned a corner, club loyalties before during and after seemed to disappear, the atmosphere as electric. There seems to be more of a sense of disappointment and hurt rather than the usual enquiry, finger pointing, and blame of individual players (mainly anyway).
But it's time to kick in with the England brand, and continue the momentum, I really think we are in a position to kick on from here. Players like Sam burgess Ryan hall, Tompkins, Graham, Roby, ferres, briscoe. Widdop, are all into their prime, and below that WAtkins charnley,George burgess, hill, are coming into their prime, plus the likes of Myler, Rachford, Liam sutcliffe. Stevie ward, Ben crooks, Chris Percival, dan sargeinson, brad singleton, Liam Farrell, that tall kid in the second row from saints(name escapes me at moment)' all ready to break through into the England side or club side. (Plus plenty if others who I have missed). This could potentially be the catalyst for a golden generation.
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| I was devastated.
We have to use this to galvanise the game and the national team.
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| I remember GB was a far bigger brand.
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| There is no reason why both cant work together.
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| I think it would be folly to get rid of the England brand. The momentum built from this World Cup would be useless if we went back to GB. I think it's taken us a little by surprise at how we've finally bought into England.
I think it's best that we use GB like RU use the lions. Every 4 years, but I would play on home soil too.
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| Quote: Albion "I think it would be folly to get rid of the England brand. The momentum built from this World Cup would be useless if we went back to GB. I think it's taken us a little by surprise at how we've finally bought into England.
I think it's best that we use GB like RU use the lions. Every 4 years, but I would play on home soil too.'"
Sounds good to me - if it works for union I don't see any reason it can't work for league with the twist being for the GB team to play home games too!
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| I agree that England now feels like a proper 'brand' and a team. Its taken time but we've finally got there.
its also important to mention Wales, Ireland & Scotland. There have been some great green shoots of progress for them off the pitch in this tournament, we are now getting decent crowds for international RL consistently in Wrexham, we had the biggest Irish international RL crowd ever at Limerick, and Scotland's progress to the quarter finals got their local papers interested.
Wales & Ireland in particular have big issues to fix on the field and their battle to be seen as a respected team in their nations will take a long time. But I feel we are better off letting them grow as independent nations than going back to GB.
I am however in favour of proper GB tours Down Under.
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| As said you can have best of both worlds and give support to the other home nation players. England for 4 nations, NZ tours and World Cup. GB for ashes tours once every four years.
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| As a lifelong league man and brand manager, it's interesting to read people's views on this. I was at Wigan for the France game (in the bar before KO) when some bloke stood up and asked Joey Johns (pre-match guest) if he thought it would be better that England revert to Great Britain. Joey's response, "what would be the difference?" And I agree with him. What would be the difference between cheering on England and cheering on Great Britain, seriously?!
Truth is, there was little or no atmosphere at Wembley for the first 20 or so minutes on Saturday (against NZ). It was when the crowd sensed that the English team were putting their bodies on the line and striving with every sinew that they got behind the lads en masse. I've been watching international rugby league for 30 years and have not experienced anything like that atmosphere since maybe Melbourne in 92. The England rugby league brand will succeed therefore if the England team can deliver on the field. It has nothing to do with 'England' or 'Great Britain'.
That said, I support the calls to get behind the national team. We have to. That means going to games, putting club allegiances aside and supporting the national team, and understanding what a strong international game could do for the sport.
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| An England supporters group will help. Hopefully we can get one up and running for 2017 down under.
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| If like me you're feeling gutted rather than in different about the result, that's great! All I'm saying is that that change comes when you take pride in the team. Would it be safe to say that many more people now take pride in our national team? Would we have taken any more pride in the last 15-20 years had the team we'd been watching been branded as Great Britain?
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| GB makes no difference other than that it precludes the possibility of meaningful internationals for Ireland, Scotland & Wales.
As has been said, keep England, keep the WC, and use GB every so often. Personally I'd prefer an alternating every two years home/away calendar with Three-test series against Australia, New Zealand and a combined Pacific Islands (Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Cook Islands) team.
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| So this has got me thinking slightly, we could mimic the rugby union lions tour slightly, with games against the club sides and then split the squad into midweek and weekend squads. The midweek team plays matches PNG, Samoa and Fiji, with the weekend squad taking on Australia.
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| I suppose because there's hardly any players from the other national teams gb is pretty pointless at the moment.
I always hated reverting to England but it doesn't make much difference.
Every 4 years having gb would be great and if the other national teams can develop even better.
I think the international game needs to focus on Somoa, figi, Tonga etc..
A culmination of these teams in 4 nations would be awesome with the top 3.
France and the rest of gb are way off and won't be competing anytime soon.
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| Quote: Worlds Apart "GB makes no difference other than that it precludes the possibility of meaningful internationals for Ireland, Scotland & Wales.
As has been said, keep England, keep the WC, and use GB every so often. Personally I'd prefer an alternating every two years home/away calendar with Three-test series against Australia, New Zealand and a combined Pacific Islands (Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Cook Islands) team.'"
How does playing a combined PI team not preclude the possibility of meaningful internationals for Samoa,Tonga,Fiji etc?
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