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hopefully they bring it back, i hope they change the playoffs as well whilst they are at it.

12 team super league, with top 5 playoff and with promotion and relegation. Its what everyone wants. Get back to feeling like a sport instead of a joke.

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Oh and bring back GB, and play the Ashes at least once every 4 years. IMO fans buy into the Ashes more than the World Cup.

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I dont want that

Itll kill the game surerer than any amount of whining from supposed fans of the game

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Step in the right direction, bring back some tradition and put some lost values back in the game.

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IMO it'll kill off clubs that don't manage their finances properly. The ones that do will survive, and so will RL.

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If this is to happen, then it needs to happen when Widnes have had their full 3 years in Superleague. Anything less than that would be very unfair on them.

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Quote: Dougy "

12 team super league, with top 5 playoff and with promotion and relegation. Its what everyone wants.'"


No it's not. I want as big a super league as there are clubs capable of running as full-time professional outfits (and 14 seems about right atm) and licensing rather than the club-killing P&R between two separate competitions (one pro, one semi pro) that some fans seem to think is one. I'm no more in favour of artificial P&R between the pro and semi pro comps than I am between the semi-pro and amateur comps (this is the traditional British way in most sports)

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I would keep some form of franchise system in operation and have the P + R every third year. In Widnes and the promoted team case this would give them 2 seasons to adjust to Superleague. For the Championship sides this might give them breathing space to build up some financial surity alongside there on field success.
If we have P + R would we still have the magic weekend a contrived fixture not exactly offering a balanced home and away structure.

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ok, which 2 teams you want to see go down first?

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(btw, I can only assume the person who wrote that story for the BBC didn't actually read the Watkins Report)

RFL report rlhererl (no mention of (re)introducing promotion and relegation between the the three tiers of the game)

Watkins Report itself rlhererl [and a search of the pdf returns no results for "promotion and relegation"]

However, it's recommendations do include

Quote: promotion and relegation "

Recommendation 9

The current distribution of RFL profits to members is also an issue that is in need of review. At present, 60
per cent of profit is directed to members in the Super League, 30 per cent to members in the Championships
and 10 per cent to the Community Game. This split was in part determined by recognition of the
contribution Super League clubs made in releasing players for international duties, which is now addressed
through a separate financial mechanism. It is therefore now appropriate to amend this split to ensure a more
even distribution of profits, recognising the valuable contribution all parts of the game play in its overall
success, and ensuring that each tier of the sport has a vested interest in the financial performance of the
RFL. The payment of an equal share of profit to each RFL professional club member would be appropriate.'"


There was also this, in terms of the responses from 'stakeholders' in the game

Quote: promotion and relegation "A number of clubs also queried whether the
competition could support 14 clubs, and believed that further discussion was required on the optimum
number of teams in the Super League.
A number of clubs raised the issue of the commercial performance of the sport.¨There was a consistent
belief that the sport (both centrally and at club level) had not extracted maximum value for its commercial
properties.¨Many respondents acknowledged that this under-performance was a combination of a
number of factors; however it should be a priority of the RFL Board and member clubs to improve
significantly the amount of revenue flowing into the sport.¨Further, almost all clubs were in support of
benchmarking their own financial performance.¨However a number of clubs also stated that they lacked
su¤cient trust in their fellow clubs in order to perform this benchmarking exercise.¨There was also a
view that there needed to be a more collective approach (particularly to issues of common need, such as
collective purchasing).
¨
This issue of trust between clubs and between sections of the game was highlighted by a number
of respondents.¨These respondents believed that at various tiers in the game there was an “us and
them” relationship (particularly between the Super League and Championships clubs). There was
a clear recognition that the Super League is the “shop window” of the sport and that it needed the
appropriate level of resource to flourish and succeed visibly. There was, however, a concern that the
Championships¨also needed nurturing, yet was in a position of being beholden to SLE and therefore
utterly dependent upon the discretion of the Super League clubs. It was felt both within Super League
and Championships respondents that the game overall would benefit from a more positive relationship
between the two sections of the professional game and consideration should be given to how this could
best be created. While there was recognition of the need for a significant amount of self determination for
SLE, this could not be totally unfettered from the overarching authority of the RFL which is responsible for
ensuring that the whole game is as strong as it can be.'"


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Quote: tb "Watkins Report itself rlhererl [and a search of the pdf returns no results for "promotion and relegation"]'"

Narrow your search a little. It basically looks like P/R is recognised as an issue requiring further discussion, and a review into current RFL policies (including P/R) is forthcoming.

They also confirm that any decision regarding P/R can only be reached following the agreement of the RFL and club shareholders and the approval of a majority of Super League clubs and the RFL.

So it's up for review, as are a lot of things. Interesting document.

Quote: tb "Whilst this document is first and foremost a Governance Review, it has also been quite clear from the consultation process that a further discussion about the direction, vision and strategy for the sport for the next five to 10 years should quickly follow, focusing particularly on the size and structure of the leagues, licensing and promotion/relegation, the sustainability of clubs and our approach to expansion.'"
Quote: tb "Looking Ahead
16. The RFL Chief Executive immediately lead a review into the current RFL policies on
Quote: tb "However issues such as the criteria for and membership of Super League, an area that clubs had been conflicted upon when deciding upon past cases, were assigned to be dealt with only by the RFL. Issues that were considered “whole of game” issues, such as promotion and relegation from the Super League, were assigned as matters that could only be dealt with following the agreement of both the RFL and club shareholders.'"
Quote: tb "The Articles also confirm those issues upon which decisions can only be made where the approval of a majority of Super League clubs and the RFL has been obtained. They are

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[quote="FlexWheeler":8f22o6ue]The extent of his coaching is ''BASH EM, JUST F*CKING BASH EM. HE'S LOW ON CONFIDENCE, BASH HIM'' He's a limited coach that won't last long term.[/quote:8f22o6ue] .... [quote="rubber duckie":8f22o6ue]That would make Wigan strong favourites then. With Ratchford at FB and Patton with Cronk in the halves, I think we'll do very well without Sam.[/quote:8f22o6ue]:



People who say we can support 14 teams are kidding themselves. First off we do not currently have the talent in terms of players to support that many teams, and the Aussies we can import are often of a terrile standard. All you have to do is look at half of the teams.

Secondly, and most importantly, the finance is not avalable to support 14 teams. This is plain to see and I doubt any one is stupid enough to argue the point. This is the 4th year of 14 teams and how many teams have gone into adminstration? bradford, celtic, wakey and the crusaders didnt have the finance to carry on. thats a club a year that cannot carry on.

To be honest, despite what chairmen have recently stated, i think this is the tip of the iceberg. there are plenty more clubs that are struggling with their finances.

I for one would praise the RFL if they reduced the amount of clubs in SL. I know a lot of fans would be scared that their clubs would be the ones that miss out and therefore wouldnt support the idea, but for the good of the game long term i think this is the best way forward.

Having 12 clubs, who can all spend to the SC, who can all compete in the league is the ideal. imagine how much better the international team would be if every week every game was of the standard of wigan v saints or warrington v leeds. all the players would get so much better because they are playing at that high level, unlike now were wigan didnt even get out for first gear to beat london by a large amount.

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Defintely needs reverting back to P&r. I'm fed up fo hearing, London, Widnes etc are planning for next year. We've been hearing that since June. The teams at the bottom have nothing to play for, so it's pretty much a bye for the teams chasing play off spots. Also the crowds a lower for then game as people won't pay £20 to watch a meaningless game.

If we had P&R, the bottom clubs will be throwing everything into the remainging games, which is what we want.

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Two tens is almost upon us.
Top tier gets intensity and increased gates, second tier has a professional FT platform for clubs to develop to/from whilst the game expands, 1 up 1 down and £1m spend in second tier with 1 import.
In 6 years we must be aiming for 12/12.

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