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| It seems that our poor relations in the other oval ball game are making a mess of trying to contrive the top flight.
Although they have promotion and relegation, at the end of each season they usually find a way of not relegating the bottom team or ,usually finding
a reason that their second tier champions are not worthy to be promoted.
This season they decided that London Welsh didn't meet the minimum standards and refused to allow them to be promoted.
However following appeal, they are now "worthy" of promotion and their ground has been passed as meeting the minimum standards.
Sport used to be about the best team prospering but now the main "sport" takes place away form the field of play and competition is agreed in an office
at HQ or in the courtroom.
In this case there may well be an appeal against the appeal but it more and more seems that winning counts for nothing.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "It seems that our poor relations in the other oval ball game are making a mess of trying to contrive the top flight.
Although they have promotion and relegation, at the end of each season they usually find a way of not relegating the bottom team or ,usually finding
a reason that their second tier champions are not worthy to be promoted.
This season they decided that London Welsh didn't meet the minimum standards and refused to allow them to be promoted.
However following appeal, they are now "worthy" of promotion and their ground has been passed as meeting the minimum standards.
Sport used to be about the best team prospering but now the main "sport" takes place away form the field of play and competition is agreed in an office
at HQ or in the courtroom.
In this case there may well be an appeal against the appeal but it more and more seems that winning counts for nothing.'"
Erm the RFL did this for many a year to keep Shuddersfield in the top flight. Wonder how Keighley felt at the time?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "It seems that our poor relations in the other oval ball game are making a mess of trying to contrive the top flight.
Although they have promotion and relegation, at the end of each season they usually find a way of not relegating the bottom team or ,usually finding
a reason that their second tier champions are not worthy to be promoted.
This season they decided that London Welsh didn't meet the minimum standards and refused to allow them to be promoted.
However following appeal, they are now "worthy" of promotion and their ground has been passed as meeting the minimum standards.
Sport used to be about the best team prospering but now the main "sport" takes place away form the field of play and competition is agreed in an office
at HQ or in the courtroom.
In this case there may well be an appeal against the appeal but it more and more seems that winning counts for nothing.'"
We're talking "professional" sport. It's not just about winning, it's about adding to the competition.
This is people's livelihoods here. It works both ways. Denying a club that's not fit for purpose may deny people their moment in the Sun, but including them and downgrading the competition because of it affects the competition as a whole.
There are standards for a reason. If it was only about sport, we wouldn't need to pay players.
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"No one has ever made himself great by showing how small someone else is". - Irvin Himmel
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| And of course it wouldn't happen in any other sport would it. Football has set standards. Stevenage and Scarborough two examples of teams refused promotion to the 4th division. some teams refused entry to FA cup if their ground doesn't meet minimum standards.
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| US sports administrators would think we are all nuts. This romantic ideal of promotion and relegation based purely on performance on the pitch is as stupid as militant amateurism.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
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| Quote: Tre Cool "US sports administrators would think we are all nuts. This romantic ideal of promotion and relegation based purely on performance on the pitch is as stupid as militant amateurism.'"
Then SL is set , and will not change, or should not change
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| Quote: Starbug "Then SL is set , and will not change, or should not change'"
Its not perfect, but automatic relegation is worse.
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| Quote: Tre Cool "US sports administrators would think we are all nuts. ]This romantic ideal of promotion and relegation based purely on performance on the pitch] is as stupid as militant amateurism.'"
The Usual bull from folk like
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Tre Cool "Its not perfect, but automatic relegation is worse.'"
Correct, the promotion bit isnt the problem , the relegation bit isnt the problem for any club just promoted, its the long standing ' protected ' clubs that are the problem
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "'" Quote: Wellsy13 "We're talking "professional" sport. It's not just about winning, it's about adding to the competition.
This is people's livelihoods here. It works both ways. Denying a club that's not fit for purpose may deny people their moment in the Sun, but including them and downgrading the competition because of it affects the competition as a whole.
Quote: Wellsy13 "There are standards for a reason. If it was only about sport, we wouldn't need to pay players.'" '"
I know there are standards for a reason, but it does seem in this case that the standards had been met and that it was the governing body trying to manipulate the make up of the top flight.
Regarding the peoples livlihoods, at least the players involved had the chance to directly affect their own futures, this is not the case for most ordinary folk !
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| Quote: Tre Cool "US sports administrators would think we are all nuts. This romantic ideal of promotion and relegation based purely on performance on the pitch is as stupid as militant amateurism.'"
Yes all their "world series" games are against "American" teams.
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| I never had a problem with ground minimum standards as a promotion condition, but the RFL changed them to suit Cas's lack of seats. Deep down Dewsbury and Hunslet knew they couldn't get in before the season started - which is when the decision should be made ie before the event.
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| Quote: maurice "I never had a problem with ground minimum standards as a promotion condition, but the RFL changed them to suit Cas's lack of seats. Deep down Dewsbury and Hunslet knew they couldn't get in before the season started - which is when the decision should be made ie before the event.'"
I think its this sort of thin that annoys the average punter.
If the clubs dont meet the minimum standards to allow promotion, then this should be made public as far in advance as is reasonable.
This would remove any doubt surrounding perceived preference and stop the cynics amongst us from crying "fix" etc.
There is no problem with setting a benchmark, but the goalposts shouldn't then be moved to accommodate certain clubs or moved in the
opposite direction to preclude others.
The "romantic" view would be that regardless of facilities and numbers of seats etc, promotion should be based on sporting performance.
Back in the real world all that is needed is transparency without any hidden agenda.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Whatever happened to that shiney new stadium Celtic Crusaders were having built ?
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: maurice "I never had a problem with ground minimum standards as a promotion condition, but the RFL changed them to suit Cas's lack of seats. Deep down Dewsbury and Hunslet knew they couldn't get in before the season started - which is when the decision should be made ie before the event.'"
Oh dear ,
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