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| Do you think that a Three Game Origin Match would be the answer to the problems faced by England, more representative Rugby against competitive teams?
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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| If the coaches, fans, players and media backed it then yes.
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| The answer to Englands problems ?
I think we need English coaches learning their trade in Aus because currently they're not very good.
Agar, Noble, Kear, Banana, McDermott- not good enough
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| No. The end.
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| I doubt it would be the answer to all of our problems, but for me it would be a welcome addition to the rugby league calendar.
I don't have a club team to support and the national team don't play that many games each year.
An origin series would give me 1 (or ideally 3) more high profile games to watch. If one of the games was played at Wembley, I would definitely go.
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| What problems?
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| No. It would show RL up as being as insular as the media make us out to be, and serve to get us ignored even further.
Stick with developing the game in Wales and France. If we do that, then there's no reason why their national sides won't strengthen and at least give England a game.
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| Quote: Conorgiantsfan "Do you think that a Three Game Origin Match would be the answer to the problems faced by England, more representative Rugby against competitive teams?'"
No. Coaching and the level of intensity at the highest level of our domestic game have been the things we have needed to improve since about, erm, 1982.
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| It wouldn't solve all the problems but would help quite a bit. Only if it's made clear that international places at the end of the year are dependent on good performances in the Roses games though. Then if anyone drops out due to "injury" there is a consequence. It's certainly a better idea than an England v Other Nationalities game.
It wouldn't solve the core problems though, and this is where I disagree with the points made by others that the problems are to do with coaching at the highest level, I think they're to do with coaching at the lowest level. Our much beloved, oft-praised, magnificent BARLA led, grass-roots, salt-of-the-earth, amateur game is a farce. Until we sort that out we won't get through anywhere enough top players for England to be 3 deep in every position. The SL/Championship club academy's/coaches can't polish a turd.
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| We need a stronger international competition locally. At the moment, we are too far behind Australia and New Zealand but too good for Wales, France, Ireland and Scotland.
Geographically, mid-season games against Aus and New Zealand are out of the question, a "SL Kiwis" team isn't appealing to fans and the 'local' countries don't give us a game - that's what needs addressing. We are still miles away from having a credible representative system.
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| Quote: bramleyrhino "We need a stronger international competition locally. At the moment, we are too far behind Australia and New Zealand but too good for Wales, France, Ireland and Scotland.'"
Whilst I think that's a very good point, however the Kiwis only improved by having more of their players plying their trade in the NRL. Improving the intensity of the local competition is far more influential than improving the intensity of the local international game i.e. 27 intense games per year is far better for our players than four or five intense games per year because the top ESL clubs get that many already.
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| a roses match is definately what we need.
It'll certainly lead us up Quality Street.
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| Quote: Catpiss #2 "a roses match is definately what we need.
It'll certainly lead us up Quality Street. '"
There'll definitely be a few Celebrations at the end.
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| No but a Probables v Possibles would IMO be worth considering, especially over a 3 match series.
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| but LF, who would fans support and why would they want to watch it?
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