1 - Tomkins 3/10 poor. No involvement in attack, no defensive qualities at all. Has potential.
2 - Goulding 2/10. Simply not good enough at this level, offers nothing. Shocking selection over Ryan Hall.
3 - Cudjoe 3/10. Defensively naive but playing out of position. Should have been on wing.
4 - Atkins 1/10. Two of the worst international performances ever. NEVER AGAIN!
5 - Briscoe 3/10. Has potential like Tomkins, but too soon. Made too many errors.
6 - O'Loughlin 5/10. No half back, decent effort however.
7 - Robinson 7/10. Plenty of mistakes but one to show his hand and try something at least.
8 - Graham 6/10. Good effort again but in a limp pack.
9 - Roby 4/10. Too many errors, no real injection from dummy half.
10 - Burgess 3/10. Shocking until it was too late.
11 - Tomkins 1/10. WAY too early for him. In another year he MIGHT be up to this level.
12 - Ellis 3/10. Playing the NRL has done nothing for him.
13 - Westwood 8/10. Can hold his head up, one of very few over the two games.

14 - Lunt 5/10. Reasonable and has potential but debateable if he's up to this level.
15 - Crabtree 6/10. Good effort but needs to have more impact if used from the bench.
16 - Fielden 3/10. Shocking to call him up. Soft, limp, beaten.
17 - Harrison 5/10. Another with potential that is not yet ready.

Of the list I'd only want to keep S Tomkins, Cudjoe, Briscoe, Frodo (Not at 6) Graham, Roby, Burgess and Westwood.

Another year, another abstract failure. Australia didn't put 100% effort into that. They proved in the first half they could score whenever they wanted to. I'd love to see a situation where Australia have to score a set number of points, so we can see where we truly are against them. The refereeing didn't help but we're massively behind still.

MOM - Tony Archer

You've been a bit harsh on Roby there haven't you. Tackled his heart out first half. One bad mistake / fumble with the ball.

You are just as clueless as Stevo. It makes me cringe when people claim there is no "injection" from dummy half or the dummy half isnt making many runs, except you can only do this when the forwards get a roll on and the defensive line isnt set. What is the point in running from dummy half against a set defensive line? May aswell give it a forward.

Look at our second set of the game.

It's not all about running from dummy half. A quality performance from a hooker would involve passes which maximise the impact for the forwards and direct the side. He was just picking it up and lazily dumping it on to the next forward. Unimaginative and going through the motions.

1 - Tomkins 4/10
2 - Goulding 2/10.
3 - Cudjoe 3/10.
4 - Atkins 1/10.
5 - Briscoe 3/10.
6 - O'Loughlin 6/10.
7 - Robinson 8/10.
8 - Graham 7/10.
9 - Roby 6/10.
10 - Burgess 5/10.
11 - Tomkins 5/10.
12 - Ellis 5/10.
13 - Westwood 9/10.

14 - Lunt 7/10.
15 - Crabtree 6/10.
16 - Fielden 5/10.
17 - Harrison 5/10

Did you miss his pass for our first try? If that was KC youd be ejaculating all over the forums. As for his passing, its the forwards job to get in the position. If he only has one runner to aim for, which is all he ever had, wtf is he supposed to do?

Exactly. The inability to distinguish between cause and symptom amongst pundits astonishes me at times.


Were you making a cup of tea when he put Burgess in then? One error aside, Roby was excellent in the first half. Titanic defence, and in direct contrast to your appraisal, was bringing the forwards on to the ball very effectively. He was our best, along with Westwood.

How can people give Cudjoe a better rating than any player when he was at fault for more tries than anyone?

1.Sam Tomkins. 4 (poor showing from boy wonder)
2 Goulding. 5 ( solid, nothing more)
3 Cudjoe. 5 ( shot out of the line for Aus 1st try)
4 Atkins 3 ( looked out of his depth again)
5 Briscoe 4 ( gifted aus a try with a poor take)
6 O'Loughlin 4 ( offered nothing in attack, was solid in defence)
7 Robinson 6 ( well taken try, did ok)
8 Burgess 6 ( another try v the aussies, couple of unforced errors)
9 Roby 6 ( needs to run more from dummy half for me, solid tho)
10 Graham 7 ( Same old Graham, never has a bad game)
11 Ellis 6 ( solid as per usual)
12 J Tomkins 3 ( was he playing? )
13 Westwood 7 ( Tackled everything that moved, still gives silly penalties away tho)

14 Fielden 6 ( went well, made good yards when he came on)
15 Crabtree 6 ( didn't make much impact)
16 Harrison 6 ( not much game time )
17 Lunt 6 ( looked bright when he came on)

merge with saddends thread

This is saddened we are talking about.

Sorry, but how on earth can you give Roby 6 and then Fielden 7 - Roby was superb in a losing side

I think he needs to run more from dummy half, meant to put 6 for Fielden, my mistake.