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Quote: doc999 "Not throwing the baby out , but the standard of rugby in my opinion seems to be dropping across the board , England dont have much competition for places , most of the side picks itself . I think its time to scrap the cap and let the sport grow. In my opinion there is no way on earth this Oz team would beat the 1994 team . They have always had multiple players who are impossible to deal with , I just dont see that in this side . GB also had players that were impossible to deal with like Offiah , Robinson but we are having to look back 20+ years .'"


Wasn't the cap meant to improve things?

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Quote: Bent&Bongser "What the heck happened at Bradford Bulls? Yes the Cap System needs modifying. “Finite” should mean FINITE - no exemptions, no dispensations! It may then serve the purpose that it is meant to serve.

Super League has been a flawed product for a good while, not because of The Cap but due to its codicils. The only interesting season in recent years was when Castleford “did a Leicester City” (no, Bongser does not wish to see anyone present The Super League Show in their underwear!) SL even had The Tigers covered due to the idiocy of the playoffs. SkY introduced the system, SkY are paying less to RL; SkY should have less say in RL.'"


You seem to have picked my idea apart on the basis that Saints would benefit. Saints would benefit from the status quo and from that and from pretty much any other situation you bring up. Saints aren't successful because they've played the rules or manipulated them. Saints are just better than everyone else. Better at identifying talent, better at developing it and better at coaching it. There's absolutely nothing stopping the other clubs matching Saints. You'd have to ask Wigan, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull, Leeds etc why they aren't doing what Saints have done. Having exemptions for your own produced players is important in the cap I think as it encourages clubs to develop talent. You are right it would benefit clubs like Saints, Wigan, Warrington and Leeds in the short term, but those are the clubs you want clubs to aspire to be like, or better than. What do you want to happen exactly? Clubs get a flat cap with no exemptions so they can sign players other clubs produced and so the competition just declines in quality each year? Which would benefit clubs like Leigh eusa_think.gif Surely we want more clubs like Saints and Wigan? Don't we?

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Before replying, Bongser would ask you (good evening Saddened! How are you? Well it is to be hoped) to answer some of the direct questions in yours truly's post prior to us accepting that your previous post indeed contained a genuine "idea". icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: Saddened! "You seem to have picked my idea apart on the basis that Saints would benefit. Saints would benefit from the status quo and from that and from pretty much any other situation you bring up. Saints aren't successful because they've played the rules or manipulated them. Saints are just better than everyone else. Better at identifying talent, better at developing it and better at coaching it. There's absolutely nothing stopping the other clubs matching Saints. You'd have to ask Wigan, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull, Leeds etc why they aren't doing what Saints have done. Having exemptions for your own produced players is important in the cap I think as it encourages clubs to develop talent. You are right it would benefit clubs like Saints, Wigan, Warrington and Leeds in the short term, but those are the clubs you want clubs to aspire to be like, or better than. What do you want to happen exactly? Clubs get a flat cap with no exemptions so they can sign players other clubs produced and so the competition just declines in quality each year? Which would benefit clubs like Leigh
Without the cap you might see Leigh at the top of the league ( highly doubt it , but its possible) Keighley had potential to be massive 20 years ago but they were massively shafted by the RFL , Sheffield could have carried on the growth . Bradford where run into the ground with a poor declining ground and what happened to them was probably fair , let that be a warning to other clubs not to do the same in future , its only unfair when you compare it to Harlequins , Catalans and the likes of Huddersfield being demotion proof for a good few years , they didn't need it , Sheffield was a bigger cub back then . Some dodgy back handers must have been taking place .

You do hit on good point though , our game is falling apart with youth and talent , but when you have cap in place and people want instant results your going to cut the cloth accordingly . It's becoming a competition where they are trying to remove as much competition as possible, a rigged system where the established top clubs benefit and they are the ones who won't argue to change it , very much like Westminster politics . Scrap the cap and I would also pull away fro Sky , there are many other options now like DAZN , prime , freesports , BT, premier sports . The clubs need to be more responsible for their marketing , there is pretty much zero outside of sky , all Leigh have done is swap a centurion's helmet for a leopard , ridiculous , if I didn't attend a match I would have no idea when the next game was . RL is the most physical game there is and it should be pitched that way , like UFC was, they have characters , stars and no cap and people want to watch successful people , this is human nature wit bread and circus.

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Quote: Saddened! "You seem to have picked my idea apart on the basis that Saints would benefit. Saints would benefit from the status quo and from that and from pretty much any other situation you bring up. Saints aren't successful because they've played the rules or manipulated them. Saints are just better than everyone else. Better at identifying talent, better at developing it and better at coaching it. There's absolutely nothing stopping the other clubs matching Saints. You'd have to ask Wigan, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull, Leeds etc why they aren't doing what Saints have done. Having exemptions for your own produced players is important in the cap I think as it encourages clubs to develop talent. You are right it would benefit clubs like Saints, Wigan, Warrington and Leeds in the short term, but those are the clubs you want clubs to aspire to be like, or better than. What do you want to happen exactly? Clubs get a flat cap with no exemptions so they can sign players other clubs produced and so the competition just declines in quality each year? Which would benefit clubs like Leigh Nothing prevents other clubs from copying the successful model of their strategy. Nothing but money and hubris. Money limits their options, and hubris makes them all-knowing and unwilling to copy someone else's successful strategy model.

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Hmmm. There are other factors in play that contribute to the hegemony of two or three clubs, as you no doubt know.

Hubris? Bongser supports his birth town team (unlike many), a team that has not won serious silverware for four
decades. Perhaps you meant "humous"? Money & humous - it makes as much sense!

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