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| All credit to Walsmlsy quick thinking, but why has the interpretation of a tap changed? If you go back quiet a few years the ball had to be played along the ground (all be a millimetre or so) then picked up this also applied to tap restarts. My point being is that there was a risk involved especially on a wet muddy pitch. Now the game is so fast defences struggle to get set without attackers allowed to take shortcuts.
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| Quote Beverley red="Beverley red"All credit to Walsmlsy quick thinking, but why has the interpretation of a tap changed? If you go back quiet a few years the ball had to be played along the ground (all be a millimetre or so) then picked up this also applied to tap restarts. My point being is that there was a risk involved especially on a wet muddy pitch. Now the game is so fast defences struggle to get set without attackers allowed to take shortcuts.'"
to be fair, cas probably switched off cos 'quick taps' dont happen, like every other stoppage in teh game now, there's a load milling around and shuffling of feet, rather than just getting on with it.
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| Quote Beverley red="Beverley red"All credit to Walsmlsy quick thinking, but why has the interpretation of a tap changed? If you go back quiet a few years the ball had to be played along the ground (all be a millimetre or so) then picked up this also applied to tap restarts. My point being is that there was a risk involved especially on a wet muddy pitch. Now the game is so fast defences struggle to get set without attackers allowed to take shortcuts.'"
Would you bring that back? It's from before my time but I don't see what it would add apart from the odd embarrassing knock on when the ball slips out of the attacker's hands.
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| I have no issue with either quick tap last night. The issue I have is why refs have stopped them in recent times. As long as the ref has blown the whistle, all players are behind the ball and it’s tapped correctly then you should be free to play. It’s the defences fault if they switch off and turn their back. We should be encouraging play like that - it’s a part of the game that used to be common place. The only thing I would say is that, in response to Grimmy above, the ball should be tapped correctly - the ball must leave the hand, tapped with the foot and regathered. I also think the play the ball should be enforced to actually play the ball with the foot, as it used to be, rather than ‘attempt to’, but that’s a different conversation.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"Would you bring that back? It's from before my time but I don't see what it would add apart from the odd embarrassing knock on when the ball slips out of the attacker's hands.'"
It used to be the rule in both codes & yes I would bring it back, my reason is the game has got so fast & the options to compete for the ball are few & far between. There has (in my opinion) to be a better balance between risk & reward. If you have the skill to tap & regather without fumbling the ball good. It is also why I don’t like the policing of the ruck the slightest hint of impropriety from the defence it’s six again but maybe once a season the attack will be penalised for not playing the ball correctly.
I spend time watching a lot of the old games from the 1970s onwards on line & I don’t find that the speed we see to day has made the game anymore exciting the only thing that has improved is fitness & conditioning, & maybe the expectations of the younger supporters.
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| I think Technically Walmsley's try was fine as the ref blew the whistle, he tapped it and scored.
The issue is that since quick taps were removed, generally the referee does not blow the whistle until the defensive line is set or until he has taken the defensive team back 10m. I felt Thaler saw Walmsley rushing to take a quick tap, panicked and blew his whistle rather than say wait until I am ready. Guess we just want consistency in relation to what point the ref can blow his whistle to allow the tap.
I used to enjoy the quick tap as it was a genuine reward for the attacking team and could change the flow of the game. It was up to the defensive team to be alert when conceding a penalty and not turn their backs trying to get into line in case someone took a quick tap.
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| I guess the problem is now - does a quick tap then become a much more effective attacking opportunity than a set restart - if the former can taken advantage of a broken defensive line, whilst the latter can't (usually) ? In which case should the set restart go, and quick taps be universally allowed instead ?
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| Quote shinymcshine="shinymcshine"I guess the problem is now - does a quick tap then become a much more effective attacking opportunity than a set restart - if the former can taken advantage of a broken defensive line, whilst the latter can't (usually) ? In which case should the set restart go, and quick taps be universally allowed instead ?'"
I know it would complicate things but things like holding down or anything to slow the play the ball should be a set restart anything like a flop or ballsteal penalty with a quick tap option.
I thought it was strange to see such a quick tap was walmsley not asking Thaler cam I tap it and he nodded ?
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| Quote caslad75="caslad75"in response to Grimmy above, the ball should be tapped correctly - the ball must leave the hand, tapped with the foot and regathered.'"
I don't know whether that used to be a rule, but it certainly hasn't been for at least the last two decades. I don't see what it would add to the game if it were bought back either, other than the odd embarrassing knock on as mentioned earlier.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"I don't know whether that used to be a rule, but it certainly hasn't been for at least the last two decades. I don't see what it would add to the game if it were bought back either, other than the odd embarrassing knock on as mentioned earlier.'"
It would introduce the element of risk against reward. Maybe we should revisit rules that were the norm years ago as they were made for a reason in the first place.
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"The protocols are pretty clear. It's not inconsistent, there is no conspiracy, it's just that every circumstance is different and, as ever, the fans don't know the rules.'" yeah ok, like the try wigan got away with at BV when the play the ball was 10 metres from where it should of taken place and still given
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