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| Well no one has mentioned Paul McShane, current Man of Steel.
Should he not be given a shot!?!?
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| Who do you think will be the next generation spine once all the 30yrs+ blokes go (e.g. tomkins/lomax/gale/roby/hodgson/mcshane/widdop)?
Guessing Williams will be in the picture for a while yet, but those others might not make another world cup.
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| Quote MillennialRhino="MillennialRhino"Well no one has mentioned Paul McShane, current Man of Steel.
Should he not be given a shot!?!?'"
Good grief. He’s not fit to lace Clark’s boots.
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| Quote Lord Tony Smith="Lord Tony Smith"Ludicrous statement. Clark has been consistently playing very well for about 5 years now. He's a fantastic player who would walk into any side in SL and most NRL teams.'"
Clark’s strength is capitalising on quick play the balls and running at retreating defenders. He wouldn’t get much of these opportunities in the NRL or at international level against Australia or NZ. He distribution isn’t all that. Very good SL level player, of which there is no doubt. But at international level there’s better options.
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| Connor gets a lot of unfair criticism from both Hull and SL fans, he played very well last year, once our pack starting playing well, there isn't many pivots who perform well when the pack is poor, he also played 6 alot with Sneyd and Shaul, neither has a good passing game, meaning he is the only creative player and tries to do too much himself. Playing with at FB with Reynolds should see his game improve massively. Plus been coached by one the best either SL FB's will help. Saying that he lacks a bit of pace to play FB internationally or in the NRL, so I'd have Tomkins there.
I think individually Tomkins, Lomax and Williams are are best three pivots, not sure they would work together though, without a controlling halfback. Probably only Sneyd and Gale are that type of player, but not sure either are good enough for this level.
Houghton is a solid SL hooker, not good enough these days for international rugby, Clarke, Mcshane and Hodgson are better hookers.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Connor gets a lot of unfair criticism from both Hull and SL fans, he played very well last year, once our pack starting playing well, there isn't many pivots who perform well when the pack is poor, he also played 6 alot with Sneyd and Shaul, neither has a good passing game, meaning he is the only creative player and tries to do too much himself. Playing with at FB with Reynolds should see his game improve massively. Plus been coached by one the best either SL FB's will help. Saying that he lacks a bit of pace to play FB internationally or in the NRL, so I'd have Tomkins there.
I think individually Tomkins, Lomax and Williams are are best three pivots, not sure they would work together though, without a controlling halfback. Probably only Sneyd and Gale are that type of player, but not sure either are good enough for this level.
Houghton is a solid SL hooker, not good enough these days for international rugby, Clarke, Mcshane and Hodgson are better hookers.'" reason why he gets a lot of criticism is his arrogance he comes over as childish, niggly and immature sometimes there is no doubt there is a talent lurking within him but he's hardly the savior for the british team is he
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| Quote MillennialRhino="MillennialRhino"Who do you think will be the next generation spine once all the 30yrs+ blokes go (e.g. tomkins/lomax/gale/roby/hodgson/mcshane/widdop)?
Guessing Williams will be in the picture for a while yet, but those others might not make another world cup.'"
It's scary just how few British pivots there are in SL and when you try to find real quality, especially under 30, there are fewer still (understatement).
Every club is guilty of going for the overseas option in these positions and they have been following this route for 40 years.
Not since Gregory/Edwards have we had a quality English partnership and until we can fix this, we wont improve on 2nd place (or worse).
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| Quote snowie="snowie"reason why he gets a lot of criticism is his arrogance he comes over as childish, niggly and immature sometimes there is no doubt there is a talent lurking within him but he's hardly the savior for the british team is he'"
Who said he was the saviour? He should certainly be in the squad, as he is a great player who can play anywhere in the backline. He has also played really well internationally, when others have failed to step up.
He certainly has a bit of an attitude on the pitch, but lots of top halfbacks have also, he is a character who wants to win but can get a bit excited.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"It's scary just how few British pivots there are in SL and when you try to find real quality, especially under 30, there are fewer still (understatement).
Every club is guilty of going for the overseas option in these positions and they have been following this route for 40 years.
Not since Gregory/Edwards have we had a quality English partnership and until we can fix this, we wont improve on 2nd place (or worse).'"
It's a real concern, the city of Hull for example havent produced a SL standard halfback since Cooke and Horne.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."It's a real concern, the city of Hull for example havent produced a SL standard halfback since Cooke and Horne.'"
As a sport and perhaps it's the national coaches call, perhaps we should be looking at whether some of the full backs can make it as a top class HB.
Tomkins is a good example of this.
I'm sure that if he'd played more in the halves, he would be better than what we currently have.
Reads the game well, decent pass, unbelievable step and a decent kicking game.
Surely, RL in England needs to have a really good look at itself ?
It's far from straightforward as clubs will always look after themselves first but, if we keep on going down the import route for these key positions, the national side will NEVER beat the Aussies.
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| Quote Les Norton="Les Norton"Clark’s strength is capitalising on quick play the balls and running at retreating defenders. He wouldn’t get much of these opportunities in the NRL or at international level against Australia or NZ. He distribution isn’t all that. Very good SL level player, of which there is no doubt. But at international level there’s better options.'"
How would he not get much of these opportunities in the NRL? Have you ever watched Damien Cook, Harry Grant or Apisai Korisau play? He would rip it up over there. Joey Johns has said it himself. His distribution is fantastic. Seriously if you don't think Clark is good enough to get into the England team I can't help you.
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