That's your opinion, Ben Ikin said the sport will be 11 a side in a few yrs time, I'm not the only one who thinks that going back 10m is too far, with 11-a-side we can go back just 5m.

I agree with that "generalisation" to a point but do "plenty" actually buy the season tickets for say both Leeds United and Leeds Rhinos? Or Wigan and Wigan Athletic?

Agree again, but who are [u"those who don't meet the present criteria"[/u

It’s a very simple question? SL are asking these days. What can your club bring to SL? Ignoring the real question? Of course which is what does your club bring to SL now? No need to mention names, the answer is obvious.

Too many have had a free ride for far too long. Time for a serious reshuffle. The product is stale and the whole sport is paying for it. Time for some freshening up.

I've really no idea about dual season ticket numbers but that wasn't the point I was directly responding to. Although I did have season tickets for both and the general rule was a 4 game clash put my RL season ticket on a par with pay per game. Additionally your two choices particularly Wigan as examples are interesting as I thought (stands to be corrected) that the rugby and football club's don't mix that well? but that's not the same thing as not following rugby and football

The issue that I had with your post was that you seemed to suggest that there were two types of sports follower, pretty much determined at an early age and that it would be a hard sell to convert one to the other,

I disagree with this proposition as I think that there are large numbers who follow both sports and of that group there are plenty of disillusioned football supporters that our game (yes I've plumped for RL as my primary interest) should target. Not only is it a better game IMO, more action without the histrionics, players haven't lost all sense of 'normal' life or the community they represent.

Our game is accessible in comparison to a trip to Old Trafford or Anfield so perhaps the real issue is getting the football fans out of the pub when a match is on to watch some live sport, although disappointingly the same can be said of RL followers, the amount of times I've been stopped after a game on the pub doorstep "how have the Wire gone on"? is something that I wish we could address and improve upon as I'm sure that this happens elsewhere?

I get the "for £20 I can watch the game in comfort and have X pints" so we as a game we might struggle to convert that cash into club income through a turnstile but it's not a bad place to start or at least shouldn't be overlooked

If we stick to 13-a-side with kicking then i think we would have to stick with a 10m defensive line. I would still get rid of the VR though, IMO referees are given divine powers when they cross that white line, and unless they have fallen for the devil and taken money from criminals to fix a match, they are giving out God's justice, so if they miss a forward pass it's because it's because God wanted them to favour that team at that point in time. And commentators should never criticise a match official.

I would ban drop-goals from RL though, our sport doesn't lend itself to them IMO.

Well that is fair enough

Point entirely taken. In my experience I major on Rugby League and maybe I have been to an average of 20 games a season for the last 45 years 900 games......

I like soccer and get dragged into going a few times by friends, and I like to watch Notts County when I see friends in Nottingham. I may have attended 40 live soccer games.

Rugby Union? A friend of mine is a Worcester fan and qualifies for International tickets so I have seen games like Leeds.v. Worcester and England.v.Australia at Twickenham. I've maybe been to a dozen Rugby Union games.

So I take your point that few stick to one thing and but I maybe suggest though that many stick largely to their own personal preference once that preference becomes established, however they are not as you say averse to going to other events especially when invited?

Doesn’t that contradict the golden point?

As a lad in my youth both codes where prominent in my school. Teachers arguing who should be union and who should be league. I played union on a Saturday for the school but couldn’t play league for the school on the Sunday as I played for my community club on Sunday.

The point I’m making is the community club is the way I went as the focus was cup matches and playing for my home town club.

The game as moved on but lots of things have been left to dwell.

Obviously we'd have a golden try extra-time instead, which we should have had 10 yrs ago.

A golden try... ?...