Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Do you have a link or some more information on their TV deal ?? AS for youngsters coming along as fans, TWP have done a fantastic job in getting bums on seats but, honestly, how long will it take to "create" any Canadian players. Have they tried to look at the current players and Union players over there or, do you think they are just pretending to put things in place. Their "search for a star" from gridiron looked great but, ultimately, turned out to be a publicity stunt. They are Canadian in name only and that has to change. As I said, they are a UK based side, that will struggle to employ Canadian players '" Apologies for the long reply. https://www.torontowolfpack.com/toronto ... on-opener/

Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Do you have a link or some more information on their TV deal ?? AS for youngsters coming along as fans, TWP have done a fantastic job in getting bums on seats but, honestly, how long will it take to "create" any Canadian players. Have they tried to look at the current players and Union players over there or, do you think they are just pretending to put things in place. Their "search for a star" from gridiron looked great but, ultimately, turned out to be a publicity stunt. They are Canadian in name only and that has to change. As I said, they are a UK based side, that will struggle to employ Canadian players '" Apologies for the long reply. https://www.torontowolfpack.com/toronto ... on-opener/

Yeah I did think of Bradford but the game would have to ‘bung’ them a lot of cash to sort out the perennial mess they are in.

The problem is that the premier competition and the RFL have different ideas where the game is going.

The transatlantic thing is rubbish unless it’s in a world where cheap airfares exist or the thought of travelling away fans is virtually a thing of the past.

Catalans and Toronto have done a great job of setting up a club in a local area and collecting a fan base.

However in the bigger RFL picture that hasn’t really expanded the game beyond those local areas which has to be the aim of this or it is just ‘folly.’

Toronto is essentially team England/ Australasia and the original aim for Catalans was to create a competitive French team which along with the emergence of Tonga, Fiji and PNG would have given us a strong seven team international world. Of course that’s not happened so essentially millions of pounds of sponsorship have been pumped in and without a strong French team it might as well have been pumped into Featherstone, Leigh or Bradford.

You can see why SL are going the opposite way as how long will the rest last with constant trips over the channel and Atlantic.. and with NFL NBA MLS MLB and massive College Coverage of American Football where’s a Lucrative American or French TV deal coming from... nowhere....

The bigger question that fails to be addressed is that why Hemel Stags, a 40 year established UK based RL club, can't get a working full time business model to aspire to reach SL status.

This is not a slight on Hemel, but a genuine question as to why, despite considerable efforts of those outside the heartlands, that the UK/European professional game has a clear problem with its expansion opportunities, that seemingly North America doesn't.

Money, Money, Money

If you have cash to burn, there is very little in life that you cant achieve.
For now, our friends accross the pond, literally have £millions to chuck at the venture, something that hasn't ever happened over here.
Yes, there are wealthy backers prepared to make up as shortfall at the end of the season but, Toronto are taking this to a new, unsustainable level, which is why we should all be a little cautious when ramping expectations of "global" leagues etc.

More importantly, should any club effectively be able to sell their place in the league - this seems a long way detached from "sport".

It might be a long way detached from "sport" but it isn't too far detached from a franchise model.

We could well end up with half a dozen SL clubs being "dropped" and replaced with the new world order.
Plastic clubs, with mercenary players, no youth or junior sides but taking the place of those less fashionable clubs.

You do wonder who came up with the idea - step forward Mr Nigel Wood

Or we could be stuck with legacy clubs using outdated business models, wholly reliant on Sky TV money, and a dwindling fan base - whilst other sports march ahead.

I went to Toronto / Kingston / Ottawa last summer to visit family and take in a few sights . I walked to TWP ground to have a look at it so I could say been there and I walked to Ottawa's ground in Lansdowne Park . Ottawa's is a far superior ground in a nice area with a cinema , shops , restaurants etc . Also Ottawa's ground is used by the Red Blacks (CFL) and until last season the Fury (Football) so they are more used to having the city represented at that ground, not the case in Toronto .

Canadian fans support their teams , they aren't too bothered if there are Canadians in the team , the Raptors didn't start with many Canadians and I don't believe the Blue Jays did either . The side note from our experience of Kingston would be that the Leafs are better supported that the Senators in Ontario , so I believe Ottawa's support would come from that city and suburbs , but Gatineau , Quebec is across the river and it used the called Hull.

In the end most people believe our sport is struggling , so why not try expansion, English Super League clubs have to look at the bigger picture not just their club as we could end up being left with fewer full time clubs .

Ottawa makes a NATV deal more appealing that either Super League as a whole gain from or just the NA clubs if a SKY deal or other UK broadcaster is just for the UK clubs .

New York again increases the NATV deal chances and might lead to Chicago , Jacksonville and others . If SKY etc are concerned with fewer UK clubs well why not increase Super League to 14 clubs and get rid of the loop fixtures , with 14 clubs there will be more UK clubs than now .

The supposed best league in the world the NRL have 16 clubs and are probably going to expand so why are we so stuck on 12 .

WRT expansion the NFL does pretty good on TV deals outside of the US and if such a cash rich league is also looking at expansion clubs outside the US then I would suggest that it probably is the way to go.

Imagine the future where say the schedule of each English club is the play New York then Ottawa then Toronto on consecutive weekends (yes I know that's a long way off) , but what a 2 week holiday you could have .

Yeah image the cost on clubs what is already a fragile sport

Saying is one thing coffing up the money to finance it is another

I despair at these dreamers

Perhaps it won't happen , the bigger dream is that our clubs won't be as cash strapped due to some great super duper TV deal . I was looking at it more from the perspective that if all 3 were to end up in Super League then would it not be cheaper certainly as a fan to only have to do one return Transatlantic flight in the season rather than three , whether that works out cheaper for an entire team I'm not sure. As a fan you choose how many you want to go to and you can drive or catch the train from Toronto to Ottawa .

My thoughts are that TWP will not survive in Super League and that as they go down Ottawa come up at join them which would cause a bigger problem for the Championship .