What do you propose TW actually need to add to their squad? Since they've come up (and remember, the narrative for so long has been about how hard it is for promoted clubs to recruit players), they've added three players - one a marquee signing by the very definition of the word, whilst another is a two-time Grand Final winner. What else do you suggest they need to add to a squad that looks competitive with most in Super League?

It seems that on that point, you're just looking for critique for the sake of it - which is why I said in the previous thread that, whilst there are a lot of valid questions of TW, some of the criticism is just rancorous - chippy, snippy and bitter.

Leigh, Widnes and Bradford are where they are because that is where they deserve to be. Widnes and Bradford are financial basketcases. Leigh are owned by a man who made public threats to drag the club under unless a number of players allowed him to renege on contracts that were agreed in good faith. If that's the sort of company that cetain SL chairmen want to keep, all power to them.

The whole argument that the TV would be better with Bradford, Widnes and Leigh in SL seems to be based on this idea that there is a huge amount of latent demand from people who, despite being able to subscribe to Sky Sports, currently don't because those three clubs aren't in it. To suggest that those three clubs could make any difference to Sky's subscriber base to influence a TV deal by any more than relative sofa change is laughable.

The fact I am questioning him is exactly what debate means lol

would that be dr jean-claude romand

The fact you are questioning him simply means you don't agree with him, either that or your just doing your normal thing on here by trying to wind people up, I or anyone else on here have yet to hear you offer any credible opposition to what he says, there are credible posters on here what offer alternative opinions to his, where is yours?, fortunately/unfortunately depending on peoples perception of you have yet to hear anything constructive from you lol

Steph, you and Jean tell me all sorts of lovely things about TWP, Toulouse, Catalans, Ottawa and New York. Where is the evidence for any of that hot air? All we have for New York is a limited merchandise site selling a few T shirts and bob hats off? Once they are gone all the evidence for NY is then hot air from a Huddersfield schoolteacher. Name me the board of directors and the investments they have put in at New York please??

Here's the direct quote from McManus on behalf of Superleague [i"Toronto is a team of English and antipodeans owned by a Australian, They have got to start producing players from Canada" [/i

So there is your direct quote, replied to in the press by McDermott who said they aren't producing any such players. Over to you to look his exact words up which will help you break the habit of making it up. Until you answer this there isn't any point to a debate with you.

I don't do opinions mate, I just look and read up on what the journos report and the clubs say. The journo Dave Woods asked Perez what was the point of TWP what would they bring to the game. That is on record in an interview you can look up on You Tube. Perez said they would add new players and new TV money to the game here. People should look that up and then look up McDermotts recent interviews where he admits TWP haven't achieved a single Canadian pro player or a single cent in TV money.

How clear can the facts be made before the Steph's and Jean's stop telling us Canada is the future?

If Canada is the future why is the Architect of this brave new world sat in the CEO's office at Bradford Bulls?? After all there is sooooo much work to do in Ottawa to get ready to join the leagues here

What's going on here is some people hear only what they want to hear and TBF RL rags provide them with it..........

OK my turn Steph........In three years how many of the pro level North American players TWP were going to produce from grid iron conversions "pretty quickly" are now in the game and how many North American TV dollars have TWP been paid in signed contracts for the rights to show the glamorous TWP?

New TV players and new TV money was promised in return for joining the leagues here. Where is this money? Where are these players now they are in Superleague? Over to you?

The idea you knew more about Marketing than Gary Hetherington was laughable, but anyway that was just half time. 1-0 to me.

1. TWP need to add to their squad the top class college football Athletes they were going to convert "pretty quickly" to Superleague level professionals.

2. SKY is an English TV subscription channel who make nothing from overseas clubs. McManus was clear SKY need an English League for English clubs and subs. In turn SL need English fixtures as they draw bigger crowds....... Hull.v.HKR 23,002 Bradford.v.Leeds 23,373 Wigan.v.Leigh 15,699 etc.....

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Great post and viewpoint Donnyman, saying it how it is. Out of curiosity, who do you support? Let me guess, not Toronto?

Couple of rumours going round our forum that the proposed SKY TV deal isn't going well. Anyone else heard anything? viewtopic.php?f=28&t=539794&start=15870 Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"The offer is I have been led to believe "game changing" in that if it is the only offer available then major structural changes would have to be made within the game. I believe that there is a meeting next week at the club to get views on what changes may have to occur. Elstone has been very quiet of late and I'm wondering if that is because there are no other offers on the table at the moment.'" Quote Itchy Arsenal="Grimmy"Yes, a big giveaway was a year or so ago during the breakaway. The scenarios offered to the Championship clubs were 'if it stays the same' and 'if it reduces', they didn't even consider an increase option. There's other information I've been privy to which I can't share that indicates a reduction too, but in short yes, definitely expecting a reduced offer. Not sure what I'd do if I were the RFL, and not confident they know either. All very well talking about Amazon, BT etc but it only works if they're interested.'"

Couple of rumours going round our forum that the proposed SKY TV deal isn't going well. Anyone else heard anything? viewtopic.php?f=28&t=539794&start=15870 Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"The offer is I have been led to believe "game changing" in that if it is the only offer available then major structural changes would have to be made within the game. I believe that there is a meeting next week at the club to get views on what changes may have to occur. Elstone has been very quiet of late and I'm wondering if that is because there are no other offers on the table at the moment.'" Quote Itchy Arsenal="Grimmy"Yes, a big giveaway was a year or so ago during the breakaway. The scenarios offered to the Championship clubs were 'if it stays the same' and 'if it reduces', they didn't even consider an increase option. There's other information I've been privy to which I can't share that indicates a reduction too, but in short yes, definitely expecting a reduced offer. Not sure what I'd do if I were the RFL, and not confident they know either. All very well talking about Amazon, BT etc but it only works if they're interested.'"