London is a soccer city. It will never change. No corporates will invest in rugby league in London.

Toulouse has a strong rugby history and fan base.

Toulouse is a better bet for building rugby league.

London have had MASSIVE investment and done nothing with it.

i'll be seeing a few of those on sunday when they play hull fc at brantingham park. looking forward to it

There's no such thing as debate with you let alone facts. Toulouse have no money, Toulouse's fan base was laid bare in the play off's with only 1,000 fans a game and Toulouse don't develop pro/SL quality players in any number at all, the odd few go to Catalans as they can't develop many as the French grass roots game is dying and so on to.....

The sport broke away from Union in 1896. Clubs like Hull, Leeds, Wakefield, Saints, Wigan and Warrington did this.

They hoped to expand and clubs like South Shields, Coventry, Ebbw Vale, Streatham and Mitcham, Lancaster and Liverpool came and went.

"Growth" failed and continued to fail from 1896 to 2020. It hasn't grown in 124 years [ubut nor has it died[/u - the last quarter of a century has seen it operate professionally.

It only dies two ways.

1. If the game can no longer get a paying TV deal or
2. If the game substitutes real clubs of substance for phoney nonsense clubs.

Everyone doesn't have valid points on the growth of the game. As per my last posts it hasn't grown in 124 years BUT has survived only through it's strength along the M62 in Yorkshire and Lancashire where it has strong [ugrass roots[/u. As above[u those grass roots are 124 years old and counting.[/u

And yes if they put phoney clubs into SL and remove clubs of substance that kills the game. The only way to continue to survive is don't kill the grass roots. As long as the likes of Bradford and Widnes languish in the Championship whilst Catalans and Toronto are in Superleague and plans to replace the useless Salford Wakey and HKR with Ottawa Toulouse and New York exist then we are in danger of a quick death.

That doesn't make me a flat capper - it makes me (and you) realists.....

How are Hull KR useless?

Expansionistas constantly quote English clubs as being useless and work on the idea there's no point in two clubs in Hull and garbage like that. The Hudge has committed himself further to the club through some element of purchasing the ground, plus they have gone back to having their own academy. 20K and 12K for the derby games last year. Just before Superleague the same games were attracting 6.000 (1993)..............In their new stadium Hull pulled 19,000 for the Bradford game. Bradford and Leeds ganes topped 20K at one point. Get Bradford back in.

Last year worst league crowds for Hull & HKR were against Les Catalans. If people want to kill RL then "expand" it, that will kill it.

There isn't the apetite for SL in Bradford, and I very much prefer a weekend in Perpignan to an afternoon in the s41t4ol3 that is Currystan.

Would you like to elaborate this comment.

Ah but it's the place to be for a curry.