I know that there are 100's of potential players over there but, we were talking about big name players on huge salaries and the question that I asked you was, how many clubs are currently using their full cap and 2 marque signings because, unless there is pressure from more than Toronto to increase their wage bill, we are just hypothesising on stuff and nonsense.

I havent seen Leeds, Wigan or Wire demanding any type of increase and quite frankly, if they are "happy" with the cap + extras, we should keep as we are, plus some annual inflation type increase.

The min point is that the "superstars" of the Aussie game will only come over for a retirement contract or when they have mis-behaved and cant get a gig at home.

There seems little point about wanting a Cooper Cronk or Tuivasa-Sheck type player to come over as it just wont happen.

Nice one Mr. Dog, you got me!! This is the weird thing about this so called expansion, in the end it will be several squads of 20 odd professional RL players all from England, and down under living and training along the M62 flying out to Canada a handful of times a year to play some "home" games. When Toronto and New York, or later Montreal and Ottawa play each other the two pairs of teams will each be on the same Aeroplanes! Let's hope they don't carry on any on field "disagreements"onto the plane returning to Manchester!!

Whilst that's going on the useless Wakefield Trinity will be playing the useless Huddersfield in the part time championship before 2,000. Equally the useless Hull.K.R. will be on 2,000 for the visit of Salford in the championship. These crowds happened last time they met in the Championship. I can understand "expansion" if there are more players & TV money, but if these NA teams are players from here and down under just masquerading as expansion then how do we keep the interest going amongst fans here, or get kids to bother playing anymore in Castleford, Huddersfield Salford and West Hull?? How do we continue to get a SKY TV deal if disgruntled people don't buy Subscriptions anymore from these places?

Who, Donny? I think you've read him wrong Roy

Apologies Roy, you haven't quite [i"got me wrong"[/i. It is more that I have misled you. I'm pro expansion in the way that London Broncos and Newcastle Thunder operate investing in their player development and academy systems. I love Wakefield, I first saw them about 1972 when I got the bus up to there and was dropped off outside Belle Vue and saw Terry Crook, Dave Topliss, Neil Fox. Mick Morgan and David Smith in action, superb players.

I was being sarcastic about the so called expansionists who believe that Toronto and other proposed clubs who won't ever develop players to "expand" the playing pool or find TV deals to "expand" the broadcast revenues, should be allowed to replace such as Wakefield and Huddersfield who they view as "useless" just because they are at the lower end of the table.

Roy, Donny talks a lot of sense, good at sarcasm to.