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Toronto will get promoted I just don’t see them been around in 5 years time the cracks are already there unpaid suppliers stopping the TV games paying ridiculous money to average players getting no sky money and letting fans in for free it’s not a sustainable business model
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I'm hoping Toronto win on Saturday to save us all from having to endure the disgraceful behavior of the Fev fans in 2020. Biggest set of neanderthals to follow RL in the UK ever.
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| Quote Tigerade="Tigerade"I'm hoping Toronto win on Saturday to save us all from having to endure the disgraceful behavior of the Fev fans in 2020. Biggest set of neanderthals to follow RL in the UK ever.'"
do they throw smoke bombs onto pitches? |
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"
While there is always rivalry between fans of different clubs and there are some genuine and serious reservations about the Toronto experiment (and I use "experiment" quite deliberately), you cant seriously blame the existing RL fans holding back the sport.
I didn't blame all of them. I'm holding to account those that do spread hate to anything new in the game though.
Why the hell would anyone want to get involved in our sport when so many fans have stuck the boot in to anything outside of the North.
They're not proper fans if they're not wanting Fev to win. Toronto should go back to their own country.
We're the opposite of inviting.
So yes, that holds the game back massively.
It takes so much work to start the game in other areas of the world. You look online, and all you get is hate. Why bother?
Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"As I mentioned in an earlier post, Toronto have been superb in the way that they have sold RL to virgin RL fans and even allowing for "inflation" on their attendance numbers, someone over there has done a great job of selling the sport and for me, it is the ability to market and promote our sport which is lacking and very little to do with the fans that already watch the game over her.
If anything, our sport has relied to heavily on extracting more and more from the "same" group of fans and has abjectly failed to generate sufficient new interest in the game.
If you go back to the last world cup, where England performed pretty well.
The first international game following this was a mid week game v France at Leigh.
In just about any other sport, this fixture would have been sold out weeks in advance.
However, in RL, you have to be searching like hell to even know that these fixtures are taking place.
Myself and a group of lads were there from Wakefield but the attendance, for a full international was around 5000, which is just pitiful and the tickets were about £15 (I cant remember the exact figure).
The next international was at the Hull FC ground (KC/K Com) and again the crowd was poor.'"
Can't argue with any of that. It's beside the point though.
Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Until "we" can promote these fixtures (and others) to new fans, the game will remain on it's booty, it's got absolutely zip to do with "bile form some so called fans".'"
It's not one or the other. It's both.
We are a disorganised sport with a large section of uninviting fans.
Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"You dont seem able to accept that not everyone buys into having N.American sides in SL, which is your prerogative.
I just dont agree with you.'"
No idea where you've got that from. People can have whatever opinion they like. They just don't need to spread hate. It doesn't make their point stronger, it makes their point weaker.
I don't buy the need for the comments made about Toronto just because they don't buy into it. Why can't they just say a reason... Much much like you just did?
Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"NOBODY has "sold" the idea very well or, explained what the medium long term strategy is for developing the game over there.
If the "plan" is to, at some point, have a SL of, say 4, N. American sides, plus 2 French sides and only 6 UK sides in SL, I think that the game in the UK will die and despite having watched RL seriously for 30+ years, I would certainly walk away as a Trans Atlantic competition, with Leeds, Hull, Warrington, Wigan, Saints +1 has absolutely no appeal.'"
All fair arguments. Doesn't require the hate speeches posted against them by a large section of fans and the bandwagons they all join.
Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Sorry if that makes me bitter or full of bile but, that is MY opinion.'" '"
You are entitled to your opinion. Bitterness would be you lacking reasons behind it, which you have articulated well.
Unfortunately, too many (way too many) don't. It really does hold the game back. It's ok for us who were born and bred it, but try bringing someone from outside the game in to join the sh*tshow online about new clubs. |
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| Quote Tigerade="Tigerade"I'm hoping Toronto win on Saturday to save us all from having to endure the disgraceful behavior of the Fev fans in 2020. Biggest set of neanderthals to follow RL in the UK ever.'"
They are diabolical. They could start a fight in an empty room. |
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| Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"do they throw smoke bombs onto pitches?'"
The last fev game I was at they set a fire work off when Leeds were lining up a conversation at 68-10 . It was 4.30pm on a bright August afternoon. 
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"You are entitled to your opinion. Bitterness would be you lacking reasons behind it, which you have articulated well.
Unfortunately, too many (way too many) don't. It really does hold the game back. It's ok for us who were born and bred it, but try bringing someone from outside the game in to join the sh*tshow online about new clubs.'"
I think the above says more about social media (and to a lesser extent on line forums), that it does against actual fans of RL.
Most comments on line are only discussed in black and white or at the extremes of the subject in question - a trait of the modern world but, thankfully, the real world is slightly different.
FWIW, if we are serious about expansion, it shouldn't be to the detriment of what we currently have, it should enhance it and the major fear, as I intimated previously, is that there is a plan to jettison a large chunk of SL and replace it with a number of N. American clubs, ironically filled with the very players that currently play for those SL clubs and the N. American clubs would have zero foundation- no academies or junior sides and certainly no competing in the academy leagues and let's not even think about the cup competitions, which they seem to be allowed to avoid, which means one hell of a risk to the game as a whole over here. |
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"On this site, and in seriously media, it is far more the other way in terms of guff being spread.
I won't deny there are some fans of expansion who love to stick the boot in, but there is far less venom in what they say compared to the anti-Toronto groups.
Reading through this thread and some of the bile from so called fans of the game makes it clear what is holding the game back -and it's not a club from the other side of the Atlantic, or wanting a particular club to succeed; it's fans who spread hate within their own sport.'"
Its jealousy. Nothing more nothing less and its mainly from fans of clubs who have no chance of being promoted to SL or fans of clubs who are at risk of relegation from SL |
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| Quote Steph Curry="Steph Curry"Its jealousy. Nothing more nothing less and its mainly from fans of clubs who have no chance of being promoted to SL or fans of clubs who are at risk of relegation from SL'"
Of course it is. I'm sure that everyone wants to have to pay £1500 just to watch their side play an away fixture or, maybe, the actual paying fans are deemed as unnecessary and if you watch RL as a family there is even less chance of going to Toronto. |
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| Quote Steph Curry="Steph Curry"Its jealousy. Nothing more nothing less and its mainly from fans of clubs who have no chance of being promoted to SL or fans of clubs who are at risk of relegation from SL'"
Ah, the old playground taunt, " you're only jealous". Someone expressing an opinion contrary to your own is not jealous, they just have a different opinion. |
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