Quote Psychedelic Casual="Psychedelic Casual"This is off the Wire forum:
I find it incredible the amount of anti-Wire BS being spoken of on here when there was another set of fans, and an ex-player of both clubs, who were all involved.
No “Catalans fans are a disgrace” “Catalans fans are thugs” “rugby league players are a disgrace” “rugby league players are thugs”... no, it’s just “Wire fans are a disgrace” “Wire fans are thugs”.
I messaged my mate who was there within minutes of the incident and he replied with “they were throwing missiles into our away section”. Now, the natural reaction to that would be one of a few things:
1. Go and tell the stewards (happened to Cas fans at Catalans on another occasion and the stewards said they couldn’t do anything about it)
2. Leave
3. React
Humans are a fighting species. Fighting happens a lot, in all walks of life. Some people will always stand up for weaker people than themselves by fighting in retribution, many people will only take so much before they lose their cool and fight, some people even enjoy fighting...
There were Wire fans who did just leave as well.
But this thread tells me all I need to know about a lot of posters on this site: too bitter to consider it might not have been just Wire fans at fault in all this. Or just WUMs, of course.'"
Humans are supposed to be the most intelligent of species as well, not that it was evident on Saturday in Perpignan.
You cannot justify the actions of the one involved on the basis of "human instinct". Its a basic human instinct to get yourself out of danger. If what is being alleged (furniture and glass being thrown in to Wire fans ) is accurate, then why not get out of the way?
With regard to the second point highlighted, you left off something. "some people even enjoy fighting....when part of a gang and they think they can overrun the ones they want to fight".
Gang mentality, fueled by booze, away from home, think they can just disappear in to the background once its all over. An unfortunately accurate example of the "Brits on the p!$$" attitude some (not many) have when going abroad.
The very notion that part of this debate is at the playground level of "well, they started it" shows the level some are at. The basic facts are, there is damning TV coverage of Wire fans attempting to get at opposition fans, because they are not human enough to walk away when trouble is brewing.