I’ve always been in favour of P&R but the problem is when a team gets relegated nowadays if they don’t come back up straight away they go bust or have to go back part time I think we could easily accommodate a 16 team league just add Toulouse Toronto Leigh and Bradford and you have Halifax and Fev waiting in the wings in case things don’t work out for any of teams

When we say that P&R is ingrained in our sporting culture, it is worth remembering that we had no promotion and relegation between 1905 and 1962 or 1964 to 1973, when we had a single league. As well as more recently, when there was none to and from SL from 1998 to 2000, and from 2009 to 2014, when there were other divisions. I’m not saying those are models we should look to recreate, but it isn’t the case that P&R has always been part and parcel of pro RL in this country.

I think P&R has only recently started being used in domestic first class Cricket, though it’s not a sport I follow closely.

I've said elsewhere, 2 conferences of 8 sides, with 14 Home and Away games v your fellow conference sides and 8 (4H/4A) games against the others.....that's 11 home games.
Then, top 4 sides of each division play each other once (4H/4A) as do the bottom sides....another 4 Home games.....15.
Then, in the top division a straight 1st v 8th, 2nd v 7th scenario........better teams rewarded with extra home games........
At the end of the lower 8 comp, If there's an applicant for a Licence that has been approved (diligence, but not in the Bradford sense), then the bottom side plays them home and Away with an aggregate winner staying up.

15 home games.....and no bloody loop fixtures.....

St Helens,
Warrington
Salford,
Leigh,
London
Toronto
Catalans
Castleford
Leeds
Bradford
FC
HKR
Wakefield
Huddersfield
Toulouse
Featherstone/Halifax

Let's not forget York who are 4th in the Championship. I'm absolutely chuffed for them and how well they're doing. It suggests we might have another top flight city team in the making.

Interesting, no Wigan?

How about lets stick with what we have for a couple of seasons



Apart from the missed opportunity of not including Toronto and Toulouse in the last format change, surely, we should stick with the system that we have.
Of course, it's bloody uncomfortable for those under threat and nobody wants their team to go down but, at least with the current format, there is always the opportunity to re gain promotion.
If we go to any kind of franchise / license system, we will still exclude the rest of the Championship clubs and make it difficult to add "expansion" sides to the comp.
The key to what may be possible in the future is likely to be massively affected by the next TV deal and who knows what that may bring.

I really hope Toulouse come up sooner rather then later, hopefully if Toronto bottle it again Toulouse will be waiting. Be better for the game as a whole to have another French team in the top league.

I would repeat my annual, or perennial, question - to which I have never read anything from RFL or SL that remotely addresses it - Where are we going with this?

On current rumours and possibilities you could in a couple of years end up with a SL including
1. Toronto
2. Canada 2
3. New York
4. Catalans
5. Toulouse
6. Barcelona

I will ignore the "no away fans" argument, but that leaves the colossal expense of half the clubs having to jet half a plane of people to and fro every week.

But back to the plot. Where are we going with this? Are we actually looking to build and cement a World Super League? Like a RL version of the Champions League?

Or is the aim (as I thought it was with Catalans, though it was never said) to use the foreign club as a standard bearer to promote RL on their home patch, with a view to the foreign team eventually retiring into a newly vibrant own domestic league?

Or is there, as it has always seemed to me, in fact no real overarching plan whatsoever and never has been, and we just get random applications from moneyed enthusiasts and for as long as they can inject the cahs, we are happy to accommodate them permanently?

Compared to soccer, RL is skint. One leading player's Premier League wages could probably pay the entire RL weekly wage bill. Yet no country allows foreign teams into any of the premier (or indeed any) divisions. If it is such a great idea, then why not? For example, "promote" Man City to La Liga?

I just don't see that the present arrangement of foreign clubs being allowed to come in and stay in seemingly on a permanent basis is healthy for the domestic game. As at today, if you added 5 foreign teams to SL then Wakefield, Leeds, Huddersfield, Hull KR and London would find themselves in the Championship to keep Bradford and Leigh company.

How long would all those "SL level" clubs manage to stay at anything like their present operations, given that at best, only one of them could be promoted each season - and that might be at the expense of another English team anyway.

So your plan isn't actually for 14-16 viable clubs, but merely a bit of deck chair shuffling!

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