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| A couple of years ago, it was just a handful of players. The first time I really recall seeing it was McIlorum throwing the ball at a prone tackler to win a penalty in the 2015 Grand Final.
Gradually, it's started spiralling. It culminated I believe last year, when Josh Jones threw the ball forward into a prone marker to win a penalty. This led to a directive from the RFL that such play would be penalised. This has now been forgotten seemingly.
One big problem we have is that we cannot accept that this is now something that happens with all teams. When our team is accused, we leap to their defence. This thread is a case in point. St Helens and Wakefield have been called out on this thread and before long fans leap to their defence.
I didn't see the Wakefield game, so I can't comment. I'm a Saints fan. Dom Peyroux deliberately stepped over the marker and threw the ball onto a marker to win a penalty on Thursday. We benefited by receiving a penalty, but I didn't like seeing it at all.
To get around this problem, we need to accept that this isn't just a couple of players. We shouldn't be blinkered enough to think that our team is above it.
It's systemic. Until we accept that, the problem won't be solved.
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| Quote: Chris71 "So that is gamesmanship as Peyroux knowingly prevented a player rolling out the way by standing over him and unfortunately gameship has really crept in to RL recently and unless the RFL and the referees get a grip it will just mean the sport descending in to farce.
If a player makes a tackle and ends up in a position where they can not roll away due to the attacking player stood with a leg either side and the ball is deliberatley played into the prone defender then it should be play on or a penalty to the defending team for deliberately playing for a penalty.
In the Hull V Wakefield game Brough knew exactly what he was doing and deliberately stood over Minichello (to trap him) as he was in the process of rolling away from the tackled player, who then stood up and played the ball and Brough then let it hit Minichello and waved his arms for the penalty and was rewarded for his gamesmanship which is pretty much cheating for a penalty.
Another poor decision in the same game was Taylor being penalised for having a Wakefield player who he had tackled laid on top of him writhing around to gain a penalty when all he had to do was stand up as Taylor was clearly no holding him down but was unable to clear the area as the Wakefield player was laid on top making no attempt to get up. Similarly Jacob Miller running directly at a static Hull defender and throwing himself dramatically to the floor to yet again gain a penalty by conning the ref.
These are the areas refs need to seriously clean up otherwise the game will be ruined.
If an opposing player stands over a player that made a tackle then the ref should either let play go on or penalise the attacking player for simulation same as in football for diving.'"
If you listen to Lee Radfords Pre - Derby interview on Radio Humberside he openly admitted that he Encourages his players to cheat , and the only player who refuses to do so is Danny Houghton .
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| Quote: My Mate Ronnie "If you listen to Lee Radfords Pre - Derby interview on Radio Humberside he openly admitted that he Encourages his players to cheat , and the only player who refuses to do so is Danny Houghton .'"
Radders says a lot of things with tongue in cheek, keep the posts coming Ronnie your naivety is laughable.
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| Quote: Clearwing "Still begs the question of what Ganson's been doing for the other 364 days of the year...'"
That one's easy - he's been tracking the wrong player (again).
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| Quote: Gallanteer "That one's easy - he's been tracking the wrong player (again).'"
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| Just the ridiculous, inconsistent and pathetic obstruction rule, plus the holding players down at the PTB to go and we might, just might, get our game back.
Either way, hats off for once to the RFL for moving to solve one of the major gripes of the modern game, and having the balls to do it mid season.
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