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| Quote Him="Him"Carter and Hudgell don’t determine the market value of something. The market does.'"
Then they make an offer of what they deem it to be worth. How is that artificially inflating the market? I'd imagine they have a pretty good idea of what it should be worth.
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Quote Clearwing="Clearwing"While I agree with much of the sentiment you've expressed, was it wrong for the RFL to buy the lease? Certainly not everyone was of that opinion at the time
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/16709752
And it could be argued that it staved off administration rather than triggering it.'"
Yep. I’d argue it’s exactly the sort of thing the RFL should do. Practical assistance to help a club revive itself.
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Quote Clearwing="Clearwing"While I agree with much of the sentiment you've expressed, was it wrong for the RFL to buy the lease? Certainly not everyone was of that opinion at the time
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/16709752
And it could be argued that it staved off administration rather than triggering it.'"
Yep. I’d argue it’s exactly the sort of thing the RFL should do. Practical assistance to help a club revive itself.
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Quote Clearwing="Clearwing"While I agree with much of the sentiment you've expressed, was it wrong for the RFL to buy the lease? Certainly not everyone was of that opinion at the time
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/16709752
And it could be argued that it staved off administration rather than triggering it.'"
They didn't even 'buy' the lease so to speak.
The RFL lent the Bulls some money on the sly, no other SL club was aware of this loan when it was made. When it came to repay the loan we were short of cash again and were unable to repay.
The genius Peter Hood then decided to sell the Odsal lease to the RFL as a means of repaying the original loan. He failed to realise that the lease was currently being used as security on the club's overdraft facility so as soon as it was sold, the bank called their overdraft in so it ended up creating more problems than it solved.
This is also the same muppet who tried to get away with not paying VAT on season ticket sales. Is it any wonder we are where we are now? 
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Quote Clearwing="Clearwing"While I agree with much of the sentiment you've expressed, was it wrong for the RFL to buy the lease? Certainly not everyone was of that opinion at the time
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/16709752
And it could be argued that it staved off administration rather than triggering it.'"
They didn't even 'buy' the lease so to speak.
The RFL lent the Bulls some money on the sly, no other SL club was aware of this loan when it was made. When it came to repay the loan we were short of cash again and were unable to repay.
The genius Peter Hood then decided to sell the Odsal lease to the RFL as a means of repaying the original loan. He failed to realise that the lease was currently being used as security on the club's overdraft facility so as soon as it was sold, the bank called their overdraft in so it ended up creating more problems than it solved.
This is also the same muppet who tried to get away with not paying VAT on season ticket sales. Is it any wonder we are where we are now? 
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| I don't really know the politics and from what I've read there is nothing but hearsay about what is actually happening but the one thing I do know is Carter and/or Wakefield Trinity don't have money to splash around buying other team's stadiums.
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| Quote jakeyg95="jakeyg95"Then they make an offer of what they deem it to be worth. How is that artificially inflating the market? I'd imagine they have a pretty good idea of what it should be worth.'"
It doesn’t matter what they think it’s worth. It’s worth what someone who can actually buy it will pay for it. They can’t buy it so they’re artificially raising the price for other potential buyers.
Imagine if the RFL were selling land to Wakefield for a new stadium but Leeds and Wigan kept putting bids in on the land for no other reason tha to make it more expensive for Wakefield to buy. The Wakefield fans would rightly be going crazy.
If Hudgell and Carter want to publicly criticise the RFL for selling the lease too cheaply then they can do that. That’s where their involvement ends.
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| All part of the power struggle going on in the game IMO. If the RFL knocks back C&H's bid, however spurious, the SL chairmen can then make a stink if the RFL later negotiates a lower value deal with another party. This would benefit C&H 3 ways:
it puts a spoke in the wheel of a rival with that might otherwise out-perform their own operations;
it serves to undermine the RFL whose remit is to serve the game as a whole, often at the expense of the top sides;
it ingratiates them with the real movers and shakers within the would-be 11 club cartel. Who - and let's be clear about this - will drop them both like a red-hot rivet if and when more lucrative opposition materialises.
That said, I'd imagine the RFL has been conducting itself with its usual evasiveness in the midst of all this. Had it made the position clear from the outset there'd be less risk of its position being compromised.
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| Quote Him="Him"It doesn’t matter what they think it’s worth. It’s worth what someone who can actually buy it will pay for it. They can’t buy it so they’re artificially raising the price for other potential buyers.
Imagine if the RFL were selling land to Wakefield for a new stadium but Leeds and Wigan kept putting bids in on the land for no other reason tha to make it more expensive for Wakefield to buy. The Wakefield fans would rightly be going crazy.
If Hudgell and Carter want to publicly criticise the RFL for selling the lease too cheaply then they can do that. That’s where their involvement ends.'"
If they can't buy it how can they artificially raise the price?
Like everything people make bids for what they can afford, if the highest bidder walks then it goes to the next one. If there are only two interested parties than Chambers only has to offer want he wants/can and wait for Carter and Hudgell to walk away.
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| Anyhow in answer to the orginal post, supposedly there is some mutterings about a deal to redevelop Belle Vue that will be agreed in January next year.
Sadly I'll believe it when I'm stood in it.
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| Quote Khlav Kalash="Khlav Kalash"If they can't buy it how can they artificially raise the price?
Like everything people make bids for what they can afford, if the highest bidder walks then it goes to the next one. If there are only two interested parties than Chambers only has to offer want he wants/can and wait for Carter and Hudgell to walk away.'"
So they can either force the buyer to pay what they deem to be the market value or to use as pressure against the RFL in the media by saying they are selling it below the value of other bids (ie theirs).
There is no other reason for Carter & Hudgell to bid on it.
Either way, they shouldn’t be doing it.
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| Quote Him="Him"So they can either force the buyer to pay what they deem to be the market value or to use as pressure against the RFL in the media by saying they are selling it below the value of other bids (ie theirs).
There is no other reason for Carter & Hudgell to bid on it.
Either way, they shouldn’t be doing it.'"
Do you think they have because I do not I think it is fake news of someone who has nothing better to do
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| Quote Someday="Someday"Do you think they have because I do not I think it is fake news of someone who has nothing better to do
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You seriously think the owner of Bradford has gone to the trouble of inexplicably writing a long and fictional tale? What really? I think running Bradford is unlikely to leave him in the "nothing better to do" category. Thats a bit too Donald Trump for me.
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