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Quote: Alan "At least that's one thing we've got going for us, in Leigh. Beeching closed our railway, way back in 1969. In fact the town is now reckoned to be the largest in England without a station.
Alan,i don't wish to undermine your post,but here is a list of towns on wiki without a train station from the 2011 census. I'm sure the population would have changed 7 years on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... ay_station
Quote: Alan "At least that's one thing we've got going for us, in Leigh. Beeching closed our railway, way back in 1969. In fact the town is now reckoned to be the largest in England without a station.
Alan,i don't wish to undermine your post,but here is a list of towns on wiki without a train station from the 2011 census. I'm sure the population would have changed 7 years on.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: puroresu_boy " Rugby Union in Australia is dead'"

Somebody should tell the ARU that, because 120,000 watched their 3 tests v Ireland earlier this year, 110 ,000 people have attended their 3 tests in the Championship so far and now they're off to South Africa and Argentina, before heading north to play Wales, Italy and England in games where they receive a quite hefty appearance fee.

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Quote: Call Me God "Somebody should tell the ARU that, because 120,000 watched their 3 tests v Ireland earlier this year, 110 ,000 people have attended their 3 tests in the Championship so far and now they're off to South Africa and Argentina, before heading north to play Wales, Italy and England in games where they receive a quite hefty appearance fee.'"


On the face of it not too bad, but look a bit deeper. Its well know that Rugby Union in Australia is down and out.

Ten’s live broadcast of the deciding Rugby test match between Australia and Ireland drew a metro audience of 435,000, which was not enough to pull the channel out of last place on the ratings ladder.'"


Taken from planet rugby forumTRC total crowds and avg since 2012

2012 - 532'644 (44'387/match)
2013 - 488,113 (40,676/match) - Down 8.4% from previous
2014 - 430,582 (35,882 per match) - Down 12% from previous
2015 - 243,416 (40,569 per match) - Only 6 matches compared to previous 12 matches - but average up by 13%

2016 - 431,288 (35,941 per match) - 0.2% increase from 2014.
2017 - 367,318 (30,610 per match) - Down 15% from previous'"

Recent Australia matches:

https://www.austadiums.com/sport/crowds.php

Wallabies v Argentina 16k
Wallabies v South Africa 27k

Not exactly a hot ticket whether it be live or on tv.


As for TV ratings, its not even a blip on the radar. Super Rugby has about the same amount of people who watch AFL soccer on a weekly basis tuning in.
Quote: Call Me God "Somebody should tell the ARU that, because 120,000 watched their 3 tests v Ireland earlier this year, 110 ,000 people have attended their 3 tests in the Championship so far and now they're off to South Africa and Argentina, before heading north to play Wales, Italy and England in games where they receive a quite hefty appearance fee.'"


On the face of it not too bad, but look a bit deeper. Its well know that Rugby Union in Australia is down and out.

Ten’s live broadcast of the deciding Rugby test match between Australia and Ireland drew a metro audience of 435,000, which was not enough to pull the channel out of last place on the ratings ladder.'"


Taken from planet rugby forumTRC total crowds and avg since 2012

2012 - 532'644 (44'387/match)
2013 - 488,113 (40,676/match) - Down 8.4% from previous
2014 - 430,582 (35,882 per match) - Down 12% from previous
2015 - 243,416 (40,569 per match) - Only 6 matches compared to previous 12 matches - but average up by 13%

2016 - 431,288 (35,941 per match) - 0.2% increase from 2014.
2017 - 367,318 (30,610 per match) - Down 15% from previous'"

Recent Australia matches:

https://www.austadiums.com/sport/crowds.php

Wallabies v Argentina 16k
Wallabies v South Africa 27k

Not exactly a hot ticket whether it be live or on tv.


As for TV ratings, its not even a blip on the radar. Super Rugby has about the same amount of people who watch AFL soccer on a weekly basis tuning in.


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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: puroresu_boy "On the face of it not too bad, but look a bit deeper. Its well know that Rugby Union in Australia is down and out.

So it's not dead then.... Just not as big as league or AFL......

Just found the 2017 accounts online. The ARU made a profit of some 30+ million, so if we're to compare "dead" union with say a lower tier sport in the UK.....something like maybe, Rugby League, there's considerably more f a pulse in 'straia than there is at Red Hall!

As for your "recent aistralian matches"......I listed the attendances for the whole years games 6) as 230,000....I didn't pick the ones I needed. TV revenue accounts for less than 50% of the income of the ARU........so they're not "hooked on TV cash" like the NRL are and sponsorship income exceeds ticket revenue, so they aren't as hug up on attendances as the AFL/NRL are either.....and unlike the RFL who pander to the needs of individual clubs who are weak, the ARU binned Western Australia for the good of the game......hard business minded decisions taken for the benefit of the business

......so I repeat. Not dead then!

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Quote: Call Me God "So it's not dead then.... Just not as big as league or AFL......

Just found the 2017 accounts online. The ARU made a profit of some 30+ million, so if we're to compare "dead" union with say a lower tier sport in the UK.....something like maybe, Rugby League, there's considerably more f a pulse in 'straia than there is at Red Hall!

As for your "recent aistralian matches"......I listed the attendances for the whole years games 6) as 230,000....I didn't pick the ones I needed. TV revenue accounts for less than 50% of the income of the ARU........so they're not "hooked on TV cash" like the NRL are and sponsorship income exceeds ticket revenue, so they aren't as hug up on attendances as the AFL/NRL are either.....and unlike the RFL who pander to the needs of individual clubs who are weak, the ARU binned Western Australia for the good of the game......hard business minded decisions taken for the benefit of the business

......so I repeat. Not dead then!'"


Not as big is an understatement. It's a minority sport competing with AFL soccer.

Hooked on tv cash is the wrong term. Its not through choice Rugby Union in Australia isnt viewed by many people.

Where does the $30 mil profit come from?



RA’s annual report cites the messy axing of the Force amid the Super Rugby restructure and disappointing tickets sales for Wallabies Tests as major factors in the downturn.

RA recorded a surplus of $17.8 million following a $3.7 million surplus in 2016 but the year also included $21.6 million in government funding for the new RA headquarters in Sydney.

Without that one off injection, RA recorded an operational deficit of $3.8 million.'"


There is no amount of spin which can make that look good.

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