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| For me, I’d love to see RL expanded as much as possible. Living in the Midlands, I want to pick up a newspaper and see it on the back page, walk into a pub and see it on the screens, and walk into the office on a Monday and have people talking about the weekends games.
But, whenever people talk about expansion, it’s always seems to be at the expense of the more traditional clubs, or that Super League is the be all and end all, yet it really shouldn’t be. It’s the grassroots structure of the game that needs supporting and expanding.
We need a two pronged attack of actively establishing teams in non heartland areas, but we also need a stronger Championship and League 1.
You look at football and you have at least 15-20 teams outside of the Premier League capable of being in there. The Championship is the fourth highest attended league in Europe, with the money to boot. Outside Super League? Two, three, four clubs at a push, and half of them would be around the bottom not adding much to the competition.
I thought we were going the right way with adding teams like Coventry, Oxford and Hemel to League One and giving that route to success, whilst allowing them to build at their own pace. But we need to close that gap between Super League and the Championship so that it’s not like dropping off a cliff edge, and that year in year we can have a healthy competition with promotion/relegation to keep it fresh.
If you have that sustainable route, then given time you’ll see ambitious and well run clubs rise to the top, whatever part of the country (or world) they are in.
Firstly though, we really need to get the RFL run in a more commercially astute manner, particularly regarding marketing and contacts, but if we can get that right, then we’ve got a game that has all the potential to go from strength to strength. Look at the rise in popularity of NFL over the last few years, it’s not all about football. If we can get the right league structure in place, alongside pushing the boundaries of the game into new areas, then it’ll be up to the ‘traditional’ clubs themselves as to whether they want to sink or swim. It should never be a closed shop where mediocrity is allowed to flourish.
I also agree with a post earlier, that the richer clubs need to be allowed to spend. Intoduce something like FFP in football to protect clubs from themselves rather than a cap that puts everyone to the lowest possible denominator. That in itself will force clubs to improve themselves off the field if they want to compete.
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| Quote: Gallanteer "Craven Park on a Sunny Sunday afternoon.'"
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| Batley has a good feel/atmosphere these days. You expansionists should go down sometime
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| Quote: EastHullUTR "Batley has a good feel/atmosphere these days. You expansionists should go down sometime'"
I was there in 2016 when Salford played them. Yes was a good atmosphere.
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| Quote: Psychedelic Casual "Rugby league has been played in Melbourne and the wider state of Victoria since 1914.
The Great Britain Northern Union toured Australia and NZ in 1914 and played NSW in Melbourne in front of 13000.
There was a Victoria RL Premiership running from the 1920s onwards and became an official league in 1952. There has always been a player pool there.
Over the decades the NSW comp played games over in Melbourne due to the popularity of the sport over there even with it being an AFL hotbed.
SOO played its first game in Melbourne in 1990 in front of 25000, four years later the same game attracted 87000.
Melbourne Storm came about because of huge interest in the sport in the city going back a century.'"
Yet there's still only Mahe Fonua who's from Melbourne so it's quite clearly an example of successful expansion despite the fact that the player pool hasn't been increased.
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| There's a place for both but it has to be given time and at the right pace, or have the right funding in place with a guarantee that the owner/main financial backers won't pull the plug after two seasons.
For me, there's a few areas already in our leagues that could strengthen the sport considerably - London, Coventry, Newcastle and York but to name a few, along with Sheffield, who could all offer much more in terms of vibrancy and city name.
Rugby League as a whole needs to decide on where it wants to go and support these sides. The sooner we can get them to the top the better the sport will be. And that's with no disrespect to team like Halifax, Featherstone, Batley and Dewsbury but their commercial and growth potential is limited because they're in a saturated area already.
If we can expand within the UK reasonably then it should please both sides of the fence. The fact is that if there was a real appetite for the local communities around these locations to get them up, they'd have more fans and money than they have now. And that's the problem, you either move with the times or get left behind and fall down the ladder.
That's the same for Cumbria. If you want a SL outfit, get your heads together about the best way to do that. The RFL can't force clubs to do anything about it, the will has to be there themselves.
Imagine a top flight of
Catalans
Coventry
Newcastle
Toronto
York
+ 9 existing SL outfits
Yes I've been selective in teams included but for me Coventry, York and Newcastle are the areas we should be absolutely hammering. Coventry is the gateway to the Midlands, York because it doesn't have any major sporting outfits and is a rich area, and Newcastle as it's the gateway to the North East.
Following the success of Bristol in the World Cup, it's a shame that we haven't got more of a presence down there either.
It isn't necessarily about losing what we have but opening the doors and generating new teams with new audiences to add to what we have. For me, the biggest problem is that there isn't a link up between the top tiers and the amateur game which football has. So someone like Salford City, AFC Wimbledon, Ebbsfleet can buy *cough* I mean invest their way up the ladder. Why aren't we doing the same with amateur clubs? Why isn't there joined up thinking? Why is it even a case that we have summer seasons and winter seasons nowadays?
Where's the joined up thinking? I've just had a look at the National Conference Leagues and they're all northern based. Why aren't any southern amateur teams in these? Why don't we have divisions where Bedford Tigers can play Lock Lane while Southend Sharks visit London Chargers or Gateshead Storm play Waterhead? Why don't we have promotion between League 1 and the National Conference League with minimum standards for each?
It's time to get a grip across the game and have clear Tiered teams with the ability for someone with money and sponsors to invest in someone like London Chargers and take them to the top without the need of having to faff around with the RFL's application process and shoehorning them into League 1. If someone wants to set up a team put them in the Bachelor's Mushy Peas Regional Conference South or North Division at the bottom.
If new teams from overseas want to come in then fine but start at the bottom or let's create a league under the auspices of the RFL. What exactly are the FFR doing in France? Why aren't they driving governance of their own division? Why aren't they going out getting sponsors in? What exactly have they done over the last decade that Catalans have been in the league? They're sat on their thumbs. Who is asking these questions? Where's the ambition for a successful France team?
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