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Quote: Bull Mania "I agree with the SL clubs in that we need to go to 1 up 1 down with top 5 play-offs. But as soon as Carter said they would be loop fixtures i had my head in my hands. One of the main problems with Super 8s is that they are too many games against the same clubs. Wigan/Saints derby could end up playing each other 6/7 times.

I feel its being rushed through. This is half the reason licensing and the 8s didn't work. Licensing didn't have definitive rules set out. Wakefield, Bradford & Crusaders should have all been thrown out when they went into admin. But because this wasn't set out, the RFL ended up making it up as they went along. FAIL. The 8s, again many people had worries about the 8s, but the RFL only looked at the positives, didn't look at the negatives, waved a load of cash at the clubs and thry voted it through fail.

Its happening again. They're trying to rush it in for 2019, have come up with the ridiculous loop fixtures which we all know don't work, and could still see a wigan/saints derby 7 times in a season creating fan fatigue (which is one of the main flaws of the 8s.) we'll be back here again in 3 years wondering what went wrong when crowds shrink because they're bored of the same fixtures. I'd rather have a other year of the 8s, but take out time as a sport to get a proper structure sorted that will stay for ghe next decade'"


Carter wants loop fixtures because it's easy for him. The more he can flog the talent, with as many games as he can get away with, the less effort he has to invest in actually trying to sell the games he has. He says that the 'short notice' of the eights system makes it hard to sell tickets, yet there were 16 days between the fixtures being announced and Wakefield's first home game - ample time to come up with a sales strategy for that event (as evidenced by much smaller clubs like London Broncos, who have been actively promoting this game with a part-time operation).

Carter is undoubtedly good at what he does, which is bean counting. There is nothing wrong with that, but let's never pretend that he is in any way a visionary that can take the sport forward. His MO is protectionism and cutting the costs, not seeking out the opportunities.

And this whole proposal by Elstone and crew is about protectionism. It's about removing risk for the smaller clubs, allowing them to bumble along investing as little in business growth as possible and reducing their cost base without consequence, and for the bigger clubs it is about how much of the pie they can take, rather than how they can make the pie bigger. Anybody who doubts Ian Lenaghan's motives behind this simply needs to look at Wigan's accounts and take note of the reporting of an "operating loss of £605,286" due to a "significant reduction in sponsorship income" due to a "loss of a major sponsor" - on top of the previous year's £180k+ loss.

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Quote: Fax and furious "Just go with 12 in Super League. If it went to 14 teams then each existing SL club would have to give up about £1/4 million of central funding. Not worth it just for two extra home games.

No, stick with 12 clubs top five play-off for the Old Trafford Grand Final - BUT WITH ALL THE TOP FIVE PLAY-OFF MATCHES (except the Final of course!) BEING DECIDED ON THE AGGREGATE SCORE OF TWO-LEGGED, HOME AND AWAY MATCHES.'"


The old top 5 format was the best play off series that we've had and did, quite rightly, favour those sides finishing in 1st & 2nd (until Leeds trashed the party).
This will mean that the remaining 5 (or more if we increase the numbers) wont have any further games but, this was a better system which, quite rightly, put the emphasis on the run in to the grand final.
One major issue with this would be fewer games for Sky, which could be a huge stumbling block.
Maybe all the sides that dont qualify for the play offs could have a new end of season cup competition, which would give them something to play for and give sky some additional matches to fill our screens.

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Quote: dboy "You need "loop" fixtures, because without them, you have 11 home games and 23 in total.

That does not give a sustainable income stream.'"

That’s why we should have 14 teams in Super League

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "That’s why we should have 14 teams in Super League'"


Which requires the acceptance of Sky, as their current contract specifies the league set-up, and this can't/won't happen before 2022 (next contract).

I too would like a 14 team SL, but the bigger division then needs 2up, 2 down = bottom down, top up, "MPG" between next to bottom and 2nd.

That would be fun.

For 11th upwards, that's still only 27 fixtures...a minimum of 3 more needed to sustain income.

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Everybody hates repeat fixtures, except repeat fixtures against the bigger/better/more famous* clubs attract more fans than the first fixture against the smaller/worse/unattractive* clubs.


Change the structure again, why? It makes no difference if the clubs are poorly run and keep losing fans/revenue/good players* and there is no central funding/structure to get out into communities and get kids/more people playing the game in the long term and no plan to expand the international game, the only product that we could sell to a bigger/broader/richer audience in the short term.

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14 Club SL, no auto promotion/relegation. Strictly down to criteria - finances, personnel, stadium, marketing plan, 5 years business plan etc. If clubs fail in these areas then no membership of SL end of! Too many lazy, poorly managed clubs in SL who lack true professionalism off the park!!

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