When you look at the final 5 fixtures between the top 6 (who from 2 to 6 there's only 2 points in it).
Still fancy Leigh who after this weekend don't play another top 6 side. Where as the others have to play at least 2 or 3 games against each other.

Hull isn't a County

So Toronto’s worst attendance is still higher than Leigh’s best attendance? This is why we need Toronto in sl instead of Leigh. Leigh have had 100 years to get it right and can’t so it’s time they moved over and let a well run club try

Regards

King James

To be fair to Leigh, Toronto’s worst attendance figure was also higher than several Super League clubs.

Indeed:

Kingston upon Hull

Sovereign state - United Kingdom
Constituent country - England
Region - Yorkshire and the Humber
Ceremonial county - East Riding of Yorkshire

TBF Leigh will being more than 0 from Toronto...

But if you like games with no atmosphere then enjoy

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I think he is trying to say that Leigh fans will always bring far greater numbers of travelling fans to Clubs than TW ever will, understandable given the cost & time required by TW fans.

What would be interesting to see (though we never will) is the figures on how many fans travel from Leigh for example *could be any Club* to Toronto in comparison to how many Torontonians travel *rather than UK based ex Pats* to Leigh/other Club !

I get that TW numbers will always be very low but the argument still stands, fans contribute to atmosphere, British/European sports thrive on atmosphere & allegiances so to have none is alien to us .......

Unless you're a Widnes fan !

Its all well and good expanding SL, and I've said it before FWIW I like the idea of expansion, I have no issue with it.

What I always do though is try and look at things from a different perspective, what would I do faced with the same problem or decision?

The fact is SL NEEDS more money, clubs NEED to bring in extra revenue, clubs need a way to get young players coming through the system via Reserves/Alliance/Academies.

The reason we don't currently is A-its not mandatory & B-ring-fenced money is now spent on players to avoid the jeopardy of relegation.

Toulouse seem to be the best fit for an expansion side, I can see the logic, hotbed of RL, reasonably well supported, TV deal already in place with Catalan Dragons, young French players coming through, short travel distance, 2 teams in the South of France, etc etc.

The one thing I keep coming back to with Toronto is what will they FACTUALLY bring to SL above anyone else other than "Trans-Atlantic?

Unless they have tabled a TV deal that promises SL teams a decent financial handshake then im struggling to see the incremental gain.

If I were Ian Lenagan and I knew that Leigh would bring 4000 fans to the DW again at a minimum £15 a go (£60,000) and then the following week they took 3000 to Saints again (£45,000) and then a few weeks later take 3800 to Warrington (£57,000) who would I actually want at the top table from a financial/business perspective?? If I were Moran/Lenagan/McManus id offer this team a parachute payment because I want them straight back ASAP, I have a financial incentive.

What do I have with Toronto? more expense, long travel time, an empty stdium, no ticket sales and another team with no youth development.

Do SL chairmen & owners want Toronto in SL?

Who knows time will tell.

Very well put & not just because of the Leigh quote, replace Leigh with Fev, Fax or certainly Bradford & I still say it is more beneficial financially than TW, Toulouse or London, unless of course a much better TV deal can be struck by having 2 French Clubs then I say Toulouse are best option.

I would also venture to say that the average ticket in SL is nearer £20 than £15 & average spend per head nearer £30 though of course there is no evidence or study to show this.