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Quote: kobashi "Whenever I watch old matches with scrums it's a complete mess. I really don't understand how people can want them back when you see how bad they were.

You are definitely right about the PTB. Most were terrible in this game. What was the deal with players trying to kick long on like the 2nd tackle.'"


Kicking long in those conditions was exactly the right tactic.
The weather took the "bar of soap" analogy to a whole new level.
The kick off and score with a minute to go was an excellent bit of ingenuity and Fox certainly didnt deserve to be on the losing side.

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Quote: Him "I know what you mean but I think the wrestling would still happen, I think it’s just a consequence of professionalism and modern conditioning that means clubs have the opportunity to practice the wrestle/control of the tackle more than they used to. Without going back to the amateur/semi pro days I don’t think we’ll ever eliminate the wrestle. I think we can tidy it up, mostly by controlling the attacker at the play the ball, ensure they’re stood up before playing the ball, facing the right way, touch the ball with their foot and don’t step off the mark. '"


You’re probably right but I think the issue at the PTB is as much down to the defenders as the attacker so any steps to clear it up must address both parties.

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I’d make a couple of rule changes

Doesn’t the ref already control the play the ball with when he calls “held” or “move”? I think this is part of the problem. Players hold down, lock in or clamp the ball carrying arm and don’t begin to move until they get the call. This wasn’t always the case. When I played back in the early 90s refs didn’t make the “move” call. It meant you had to start getting off when the tackle was complete and all players know when that’s the case – they don’t need to be told. Any player if they’re being honest would agree. Anyone not peeling off/rolling away would be penalised without getting a prior warning. I know this could promote more dummy half scooting rugby like Saints in the early 2000s but it’s a better spectacle than the wrestlemania.

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Quote: Bull Mania "What about an idea if the referee awards a penalty for interference at the ruck, you just get a tap penalty instead of being able to kick to touch? Having an incentive of earning a free 40m, is what is causing players to try so hard to win a penalty by diving about. If you don'y actually get a any free ground, this could help combat it IMO.'"


Not a bad idea that.

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BTW, don't want to re-rail the thread, the documentary was superbly done. Would love more of these to be done as we have so many great stories to tell. I was welling up when i saw the footage of Don kicking that goal all those years later

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Quote: Bull Mania "I did think the same TBH when watching it. When you watched the footage of the players just getting on with it in several inches of standing water, and you see the modern day lot just flapping round on the floor like a caught fish begging for a penalty, you realise how desperate we are as a sport to tidy the ruck up.

What about an idea if the referee awards a penalty for interference at the ruck, you just get a tap penalty instead of being able to kick to touch? Having an incentive of earning a free 40m, is what is causing players to try so hard to win a penalty by diving about. If you don'y actually get a any free ground, this could help combat it IMO.'"


Whilst there is a lot of diving about at the play the ball in an attempt to win a penalty, there is also a lot of messing about and actual interference at the play the ball, so if they change the ruling to one you suggest we might see an even further increase in the messing about at the play the ball due to been a lesser punishment should they get punished in the first place.

Why not just start penalising the attacking player for his over drama? Similar to diving in football, this should act as a deterrent and make players think twice about throwing themselves on the floor.

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A minor point,never realised that the national anthem was played after the match in those days ,when did this change?.My memories are of the band of the Coldstream Guards marching onto the field playing Congratulations allthough the watersplash final would predate this i think.Must have been the quickest lap of honour on record !

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