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| Quote: Call Me God "OK.....our good old buddies at TW2 Towers!
They started their 12 team Professional Premiership over 20 years ago.....after some growing pains where London Scottish and Richmond were shafted by London Irish and the RFU, they have gradually grown, all the while keeping the same 1 up 1 down scenario, losing Bristol, London Irish, Orrel, West Hartlepool, Bedford, Rotherham, Harlequins, Leeds, Northampton, Worcester, Newcastle & London Welsh.
Of that list, 3 are clubs that have also won the thing. They only once had no relegation and the denied side didn't whine, but instead got their ground up to standard and were promoted the following year......all in 9 sides have won their comp and all 9 are still in it and of the 3 that haven't won it, 2 have lost the grand final
Over the same period we've moved the goalposts countless times, from promoting London and PSG at the start, protecting Catalans, 12 sides, 14 sides, Licenses, top 5, top 8, middle 8........and we've had 4 winners with one of those bankrupt more times than RBS and at the but-end of the structure and the other 3 all likely to be involved come the business end of the season......it's predictable and as such we can't attract headline sponsors or fans to games.
Maybe London, Toronto, Toulouse, Catalan, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle and NYC in a 10 side "super dooper league" is the answer, or maybe it's not, but this middle 8 nonsense isn't, that's for sure.....crowds are down, Viewing figures are down.....it's a good job nobody is on performance related pay at the RFL
But Union are having the issue of the top league being too far ahead of the Championship. Bristol last year, London Irish this year, both promoted, and both going straight back down.
At the end of the day, there is no perfect system to satisfy everyone. I personally am a fan of the current structure. No matter how fair the salary cap is, you're always going to have a crap team or 2. See the NRL, NFL etc as examples. I'd rather see those crap teams challenged, than plod along waiting for next season. And I think most fans would too.
What Union have which we don't is the European cup qualification, those teams who aren't going to win, but aren't going to go down, still have something to play for.
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| Quote: Mr Dog "Of course it was....there were no ageing/average Aussies coming over and teams were packed with youngsters, weren't they?
Actually, yes.
There was a rule change, forcing the clubs to have more "home grown" players in their squads and without the threat of relegation, there were more young British (and French) players getting more game time.
Of course there were still too many overseas players sloshing around in the system as well but, without doubt there were more youngsters getting some game time.
By the way, I'm not blaming the coaches for taking experience over youth, just pointing out that with survival being so important, EVERY side will try and strengthen and who do you think they are going to sign ??
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| To be fair quite a lot of youngsters have been getting game the last couple of years. Including at the lower table sides. Look at widnes. Wetherby the quality is up to scratch is a different argument.
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On topic, if Leigh get in. With Toronto and Toulouse (especially at home). You'd think there is potential for a few upsets.
For a neutral it could be a fantastic middle 8's comp.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Actually, yes.
There was a rule change, forcing the clubs to have more "home grown" players in their squads and without the threat of relegation, there were more young British (and French) players getting more game time.
Of course there were still too many overseas players sloshing around in the system as well but, without doubt there were more youngsters getting some game time.
By the way, I'm not blaming the coaches for taking experience over youth, just pointing out that with survival being so important, EVERY side will try and strengthen and who do you think they are going to sign ??'"
The 'quota' rules were introduced in 2008, the year before 'franchising' started. Those rules were tightened over the following 3 seasons so 'franchising' itself was hardly the reason.
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| Quote: Mr Dog "The 'quota' rules were introduced in 2008, the year before 'franchising' started. Those rules were tightened over the following 3 seasons so 'franchising' itself was hardly the reason.'"
Makes no difference. The point being made is the youth was forgotten. They can change the names to an academy and make it sound better. We had a game that players went from the community game to reserves/A teams, a very clear pathway.
Do you think they will ever create that clear pathway again?
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| Quote: wire-flyer "What happened to canoeman?'"
Apparently he has been banned from posting on the VT.
Which is a shame, I find his posts quite entertaining.
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