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The idiotic thing is, every couple of years, there is panic at top that we haven't caught up with RU and something has to change and we go through an upheaval, when the thing that most annoys supporters is that the game/structure is never the same for more than a couple of years.

For my money we have, probably by complete accident, hit upon the perfect structure for generating publicity for the sport and excitement within it. The middle 8s, whether your in them or not, generates far more actual excitement that the top 8s ever could. The million pound game gets into virtually every national paper's sports pages (let's not forget this is a game between the worst of Super League and the best of the Championship) and is probably the most important game of the season in terms of what is riding on it. Football has tried play-offs for promotion/relegation and it is huge for them, do you see them giving up after three seasons because, regardless of the success or failure of the structure, it's time to try something else. Ridiculous.

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Because there aren't the players or the financiers to create a full domestic professional league in France or north America. That is why France only has a semi-pro league and the north Americans only one club so far.'"


Apart from the fact that most Canadians would happily string you up for calling them "North American", you've sort of in a cack-handed way hit the nail on the head. There aren't enough players or financiers to sustain a strong RL structure in the UK (right down to grass roots) and that's where the problem lies. Success across the Atlantic or the English Channel won't help UK clubs.

Fax are engaging with local amateur RL clubs, with the home games so far this season seeing two of them as guests for the day. Are all SL clubs doing the same? I'm sure that some are, but I doubt they all engage with the local community for the better good of the game.

The direction of your posts I feel would actually suggest that maybe ditching non-UK clubs from SL would perhaps (contentious!) be the best option. The two French clubs are a struggling SL outfit and one that may make the Middle 8's but has no chance of progressing further. The odds of both being in the Championship next year, although probably unlikely, is far greater than them both being in SL.

My own team doesn't come in to this. Fax aren't ready for SL either on or off the pitch, but the RFL and SL should focus on how best to make the game better in the UK, end of.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "Given that Toronto have been getting crowds around 8 times what that Dewsbury - Batley figure, I think you're a bit off the mark.'"


London playing at home would pull in less than 1000

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: ronniebarker "London playing at home would pull in less than 1000'"

As much as you are trolling.........
1,205 were there for the Wolfpack in the 2nd tier with no marketing........a successful London averaged 5k before the current owner took over, ignored marketing and dragged us to the 2nd tier. A successful London, marketed well should be attracting 10k in a heartbeat, but as is the case at most RL clubs, marketing is an afterthought and therefore the top 40% of our clubs deliver 75% of our audience......

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Quote: Call Me God "As much as you are trolling.........
1,205 were there for the Wolfpack in the 2nd tier with no marketing........a successful London averaged 5k before the current owner took over, ignored marketing and dragged us to the 2nd tier. A successful London, marketed well should be attracting 10k in a heartbeat, but as is the case at most RL clubs, marketing is an afterthought and therefore the top 40% of our clubs deliver 75% of our audience......'"


What's been said before (a while ago) by a Broncos fan is that one of the big problems that London have had is not having a permanent home for the club. That, combined with the nature of public transport in London (which is largely designed to either go into the city or out, and not round it) means that attracting and then retaining a fan base has proved difficult. London played for a decent number of years at the Stoop, but they've been North, East, South and West of the city over the 30-odd years of their existence (including their time as Fulham).

I've always been impressed with the passion and loyalty demonstrated by the London fans regularly making the trip up the M6/M1 but it's tough to build support year on year without a permanent home.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: HXSparky "I've always been impressed with the passion and loyalty demonstrated by the London fans regularly making the trip up the M6/M1 but it's tough to build support year on year without a permanent home.'"


It's not just the moving (The Stoop was only 3 miles from Brentford which is only 3 miles from Trailfinders), but also the utter diabolical mismanagement and awful appointments of people into key positions. Blanchard & MacKay were both appointed CEO with no formal interview process, the latter reducing us from 3,400 average to 1,200 and blaming first the name and then the ground before leaving, spending 18 months out of work and then reducing Worcester RU's average attendance by 10% in his first year there.......Powell was appointed coach 73% loss rate) against all advice and left us teetering, whilst Joe Grima was appointed on the advice of Jamie Soward........nobody else, just a player he got on with. Grima lasted 19 games with 2 wins (90% loss rate) and left us mid table in the Championship......God love David Hughes because without him we'd have folded years ago, but jesus wept he's appointed some absolute stinkers.

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