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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: wrencat1873 "Sorry Bramley but, we're mixing messages there.
RL at the top level should be promoted based on it's speed, skill, contact, aggression and athleticism and there are plenty of advertising agencies that could put a decent promotional video together to make people sit up and take notice but, "we" just dont do this.'"


I agree that the top level should be based on skill and athleticism, but it shouldn't be done in a way that portrays RL as purely a sport for the big and the strong, because I have a suspicion that doing so does us something of a disservice. Rob Burrow is one of the most decorated players in the British game, and one of the very few that sound remotely eloquant with a camera in their face, but he's also someone who completely bucks that "only the big and the strong survive" narrative. If we want to attract more of the Rob Burrow type of player and less of the gurning, knuckledragging meat head type of players, I'd suggest that approach needs to change.

Quote: wrencat1873 "Union has a higher profile and will draw more youngsters in on the back of this but, the drip feeding of contact seems to be designed so as to not scare the kids away, rather than reduce contact apart form the work on line outs, which only become truly competitive as the kids get to 15/16, with no lifting before this age.
Maybe something should be done to put more emphasis on skills, rather than power but this directive needs to come from "above", it cant be done by individual clubs.'"


That's kind of my point. By softly introducing the contact elements of the sport, you make it easier for players of all sizes, strengths and skillsets to learn at the same pace, and for them to only experience the contact elements when there is less of a disparity in their physical development. That helps to encourage the players that aren't bigger or stronger, it creates a more reassuring environment for the parents, and it promotes skills development.

Quote: wrencat1873 "Certainly I dont think the risks in RL are any higher than Union, where the greatest risk of serious injury is in the scrum, something that is minimal in League. Both codes will have their fair share of muscular, ligament and break's.'"


I agree. I know that RL, when played correctly, is a safe sport and as safe as any other contact sport. But we can't stick our heads in the sand to the conversation that is going on around contact sports and in particular, head injuries.

Broken arms and legs won't frighten most reasonable parents - most accept that you are as likely to suffer one of those as you are riding a bike or playing in the park. But head injuries? That's a different conversation entirely and one that we as a sport may have to adapt to.

Quote: wrencat1873 "The negative stuff that you mention again, is again partly due to the lack of positive stuff that the RL "media machine" comes up with.'"


Then that's down to the clubs to address. There are twelve full-time clubs in Super League, which means there are at least 12 people in Super League with the words "media", "marketing" or "Public Relations" in their job title. What on earth are they doing all day?

Quote: wrencat1873 "As I said earlier, the shortage of "conscripts" has little to do with the game itself and is far more to do with modern society, which is far happier sticking their kids in front of a tv or tablet, than going to the trouble of taking little Johnny to the local sports club twice a week and then matchday at the weekend and this seems unlikely to change any time soon.'"


I don't dispute that is an issue, but new media and new ways for kids to fill their time have always emerged. I remember being a kid and hearing that the PlayStation 1 would be the death of youth sports and kids going outside.

And if there is an audience on a new form of media that we want to reach, then the obvious answer is to go to that media. If the kids are watching YouTube, let's make an RL game look like the place to be on a Friday night / Sunday afternoon and use pester-power to our advantage. You can reach an audience very cheaply on YouTube, and you can also focus your content on a very targeted demographic. So if, for example, Wakefield wanted to reach a mass of people of a certain age group in the Wakefield district with some content on YouTube that challenged perceptions of the sport and the club, it could do so very easily.

But oh, what's this? The rlWakefield Trinity Official YouTube channelrl hasn't been updated in seven months. SEVEN months, and not a single piece of content on one of the biggest media channels in the world, and one where supposedly our next generation of supporters and players are hanging out because they just spend their life on tablets and smartphones.

And this is why, whether it involves Jonny Vegas or not, it's not just about "an advert". It's about an end-to-end marketing and promotional approach where we set objectives, get the product right, and where we actually carry it through.

The RFL actually does some good work in this regard. It's digital content is better than anything that any of the clubs produce, and I've seen some of the development work behind the OURLEAGUE scheme; it's impressive - the sort of thing that if the RFU did it, we'd be asking "why isn't the RFL doing this?". But where the whole stack of cards falls down is the week-to-week promotion of the game, and who that week-to-week promotion reaches, because that absolutely falls on the clubs. They're the primary point of consumption, they're the ones who are (or should be) most actively engaging with their communities, they're the embodiment of the 'image' that we portray, and they're the ones who have the biggest influence on the product.

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Quote: Seth "Tag/touch should replace contact up til u10 at least. Big kids coach will have to learn to teach him to pass. Get away from him celebrating that his team has half a dozen players physically 2 years older than the opposition and that's why they're winning 50 0 every week. Gets to u14s then starts to wonder why they're losing.

If you're that coach reading this, please stop it.'"


It should be a mix of both.
Tag/Tough massively improve passing and evasion skills and improve speed in all aspects of the game.
Regarding contact, it's a difficult one.
All RL players need to be able to tackle and players need to enjoy the contact side of the game.
However, when junior teams have a "beast" (early developer), the can become the focus of all the attacking play and these guys are difficult for the smaller players to deal with.
Although it would weaken the year that the should be playing in, maybe these players should be "moved up" a year and tested against players that are better equipped to deal with them. Maybe put a size limit on age group games (this will never happen but, you know where I'm coming from).
In cricket, which is a totally different sport with different physical needs, young players are advanced based on ability and it has little to do with age group.
Junior players, regularly play senior cricket, when they are ready nad apart from embarrassing a few adults and probably introducing them to the "social" side of things a little early, it works very well.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "

But oh, what's this? The rlWakefield Trinity Official YouTube channelrl hasn't been updated in seven months. SEVEN months, and not a single piece of content on one of the biggest media channels in the world, and one where supposedly our next generation of supporters and players are hanging out because they just spend their life on tablets and smartphones.
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You need to keep up.

Since the introduction of Trinity TV (around 7 months ago) you have to subscribe to see the Trinity games and other media stuff so, the you tube channel is redundant and the Trinity fans have far more to keep themselves entertained on cold winter nights. icon_biggrin.gif

Perhaps they should do both but, clearly, they are wanting to steer people towards their subscription service.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "You need to keep up.

Since the introduction of Trinity TV (around 7 months ago) you have to subscribe to see the Trinity games and other media stuff so, the you tube channel is redundant and the Trinity fans have far more to keep themselves entertained on cold winter nights.
In which case, fair play to them. But to answer your question, yes, I'd say they do need to do both. If this is where we think a key audience is, there needs to be content in that audience. A subscription model is great for monetising and capturing an audience that you already have, but what about the audience you don't have?

And if it is the case that video content has moved elsewhere, perhaps there should be something on the world's biggest video platform explaining that. It'd be better than the first search result for "Wakefield Trinity" being a press conference with Chris Chester.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "In which case, fair play to them. But to answer your question, yes, I'd say they do need to do both. If this is where we think a key audience is, there needs to be content in that audience. A subscription model is great for monetising and capturing an audience that you already have, but what about the audience you don't have?

And if it is the case that video content has moved elsewhere, perhaps there should be something on the world's biggest video platform explaining that. It'd be better than the first search result for "Wakefield Trinity" being a press conference with Chris Chester.'"


Have you considered that Trinity may have better marketing people than you and maybe, just maybe, they have this one about right.
Having launched a subscription TV channel, it may not be in their interests to put all of their content on a zero revenue you tube site.

Once they have a decent number of subscriptions, then it may be wise to do both but, right now, they need to channel everyone towards TRinity TV, maybe you should try it, instead of yet more cheap shots at Trinity.

This thread is not about Wakefield anyway but, YOU chose to take a pot shot.
Back on topic though, Trinity will have plenty of sparkle this season and at least in some parts of the RL world the game is on the up icon_biggrin.gif

Increased crowds (albeit from a very low starting point, improved stability on and off the field, some of the most exciting youngsters coming through and improved league standing.
Plenty still to do but, definitely going in the right direction.

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: wrencat1873 "Have you considered that Trinity may have better marketing people than you and maybe, just maybe, they have this one about right.
Having launched a subscription TV channel, it may not be in their interests to put all of their content on a zero revenue you tube site. Once they have a decent number of subscriptions, then it may be wise to do both but, right now, they need to channel everyone towards TRinity TV, maybe you should try it, instead of yet more cheap shots at Trinity.
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I've got no idea who is running the marketing at Wakefield. I've made some observations, and that's that. If Wakefield are making a success of their subscription service, then all power to them. My suggestion is about reaching and engaging new audiences - something which you said was difficult in the YouTube / tablet era, and I've highlighted one way in which this could be tackled. If the intention of Wakefiled at this present time isn't about new audiences but instead, monetising the ones they have, then that's their decision.

Quote: wrencat1873 "This thread is not about Wakefield anyway but, YOU chose to take a pot shot.'"

I'm not taking a cheap pot-shot at Wakefield in the slightest. My argument is that the clubs carry the biggest burden for marketing the sport, and I highlighted the activity of your club as I figured this would be the most relatable. There are examples of bad or lazy marketing at all clubs - including the one I support.

Quote: wrencat1873 "Back on topic though, Trinity will have plenty of sparkle this season and at least in some parts of the RL world the game is on the up
What Trinity have achieved in the last couple of years is impressive. Michael Carter has done a very good job from the state the club was in when he took over, and the team is doing well on the pitch. I only hope that the people of Wakefield support that work in greater numbers (as I'm sure you do). I don't think we'll ever agree on the issue of whether this progress has been aided by the lack of growth in the sport or not, but the world would be pretty boring if we all thought the same, eh?

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