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| Quote: bramleyrhino "You can measure that in many ways, but it certainly raised standards at many clubs off the field. Warrington, St Helens, Salford, Leeds and Catalans (off the top of my head) all moved to new stadiums or undertook significant improvement works during the licencing period. That's just one example.
I wouldn't disagree that off field clubs stadiums improved (my club and example). In my opinion though i feel on the field the standard slipped, because there were to many rubbers. The constent changing of the play off system didn't help. No offence to Leeds who did brilliantly both seasons, but when a team that finished 5 can be called champions, & when a team that was below half way was in the play offs it didn't help the sport in my opinion.
I'd be interested to see your working on that one. I don't have the figures to hand, but one thing that did decline during the licencing period was the number of overseas-trained players in Super League.
And what I do have figures for are participation. When licencing was introduced, participation in Rugby League stood at around 132,000. In 2016 it was 67,000. That might not be due to licencing alone, but there's no question that many clubs have neglected this important aspect in their local communities and I believe that there needs to be much more of a drive to force thinking in this regard.
I agree with that. In fact you could argue that it's only really recently that both clubs from the city i lived in (Rovers & FC), have started to look at local talent more. It's one of the things that drives me crazy with Rovers is how many youngsters they've let go. Though I feel this is also down to the structure below the 1st teams. Every side that wants to be in SL should have a reserve side (this is easier for the foreign teams,as they could play in there local leagues). Academy's should be to 21.
I'm not sure participation in the sports still up, the pennine league struggles constantly for players, and I believe that in Hull it's down. But that as you said could be down to many things.
I agree. And that was one of the problems with the way licencing was done in my view, rather than licencing itself. We all know certain clubs gave cheap and free tickets out like confetti in the run-up to licencing. What should have been done, and I still believe should be done, is clubs given a ticket revenue target. That would force them to market themselves properly, not to under-sell the product.
And that again is a failure of clubs, not the system. The clubs aren't marketing themselves properly, they aren't engaging the audiences that advertisers and sponsors want to reach, and that makes it very difficult for the RFL to sell the sport.
I think until we have a proper international calender also doesn't help. Regular internationals is what gives RU & Cricket more cover in the media. And that dosn't help promote our sport, or open up new markets for us.
All of the problems you cite with licencing are simply there in another guise with the Super 8s or any other P&L model we've tried. What's needed is a mass of 10-14 clubs that can all broadly compete on a relatively equal footing both on and on the field. Unfortunately, we don't have that and I suspect that we never will - because I simply think too few clubs are capable of rising up to the standards they need to reach.'"
I think you make a valid point. But would argue that the way football is (TV wise etc), it's harder for clubs to market themselves more. You have a core support (at Rovers it's about 7/8000). The problem is marketing to new support. And then getting them to stay, that's part of my problem with Licencing. 2 many games become a dead rubber, and it's harder to market as people will come to games that have meaning, and that's when you try to get them to come back. That is also the clubs to a degree.
Weather you like the MPG or not, you can't deny that it's one of the few times all major media outlets took an intrest in RL.
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| Quote: Call Me God "Keighley got 5 gates over 5k in a decade.....I'd take New York, London, Paris, Munich.......
Toronto failing would be yet another blow for expansion, with the "traditionalists" lining up to say "I told you so". and to be fair, IF they were to fail, those people would be right.
There has to be some longevity to the plight of ANY RL club and a 3-4 year plan, based on attaining SL status isn't good business, whether it be a pit village or a metropolis.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Toronto failing would be yet another blow for expansion, with the "traditionalists" lining up to say "I told you so". and to be fair, IF they were to fail, those people would be right.
There has to be some longevity to the plight of ANY RL club and a 3-4 year plan, based on attaining SL status isn't good business, whether it be a pit village or a metropolis.'"
The maths are simple...to be a viable RL club in the professional ranks of SL you need a 10,000 average gate and if you are "renting" a stadium, then 11k is the target.
Wire, Saints, FC, Leeds and the pies are the clubs that deliver at present.....Castleford and Catalans are close, but the rest aren't delivering. Well meaning owners like O'Neill, Hudgell, Davy, Hughes and Beaumont are good to have, but the reality is they back "yoyo" clubs who dwell at the bottom half of the table or in the 2nd tier and with the return to relegation any chances of "building" both on and off the park are again gone and it's all about avoiding the drop....I wonder what will happen once toronto get up......will they close the door behind them.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Toronto failing would be yet another blow for expansion, with the "traditionalists" lining up to say "I told you so". and to be fair, IF they were to fail, those people would be right.
There has to be some longevity to the plight of ANY RL club and a 3-4 year plan, based on attaining SL status isn't good business, whether it be a pit village or a metropolis.'"
Even though Toronto have had some help from the RFL (extending the league 1 salary cap, changing the way league 1 promotion etc). The way they started in the lowest league gives them a solid base. It's helped them build the brand. And show people in the city the game and club.
I don't think that the way the fixture list been done this year helps them. But if they go up no one can really argue against them as they would have done it the right way.
Funny enough to see where Toronto are, we need them to have a bad season where they really struggle. Then we'll see if crowds are going to stick with them etc.
I've said all along, to build a strong RL it's not about expansion v heartlands. It's about both moving together. Growing together, same rules for everyone. Accepting each other. Both need each other,
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