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| I too am in favour of the right version of licencing.
Licencing should raise standards. We have allowed standards to slip at club level and it is hurting all levels of the sport.
I'd love to think that this sport could thrive with a form of promotion and relegation that was based on on-field performance, but the realities of modern sport mean that we're a long way from doing that in a way that's sustainable. We have too much disparity in how well clubs market themselves, too much disparity in the revenue they generate, too much disparity in the talent that they produce and too much disparity in their ability to pay that talent. These are all things that only licencing is going to address and it should be used to bring those below the standard up to the required level.
It's no secret that I'm a believer in expansion. I'm a believer in expansion because I simply don't see a situation where certain clubs in certain locations can sustain the sport at the level it needs to be at. We can't keep decrying the fact that we're only attracting sponsorships from online bookies, payday loans firms and tinned mushy peas, but keep insisting that the future of the sport is in deprived towns where the local High Streets are packed with bookies, pawnbrokers and fast food outlets, and keep marketing to people who think it's outrageous that they're asked to pay £20 for a play-off semi final or asked to jump on a train to Newcastle or London for a major event.
The old licencing system was too ambiguous, too easily fudged and it lacked transparancy - it has as much credibility as Angela Powers' "Guide to Super League Baby Changing tables" from way back when. WIth the right objectives in place, with the right KPIs and with the right purpose, it can work.
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| Quote: Call Me God "Keighley got 5 gates over 5k in a decade.....I'd take New York, London, Paris, Munich.......
Toronto failing would be yet another blow for expansion, with the "traditionalists" lining up to say "I told you so". and to be fair, IF they were to fail, those people would be right.
There has to be some longevity to the plight of ANY RL club and a 3-4 year plan, based on attaining SL status isn't good business, whether it be a pit village or a metropolis.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Toronto failing would be yet another blow for expansion, with the "traditionalists" lining up to say "I told you so". and to be fair, IF they were to fail, those people would be right.
There has to be some longevity to the plight of ANY RL club and a 3-4 year plan, based on attaining SL status isn't good business, whether it be a pit village or a metropolis.'"
The maths are simple...to be a viable RL club in the professional ranks of SL you need a 10,000 average gate and if you are "renting" a stadium, then 11k is the target.
Wire, Saints, FC, Leeds and the pies are the clubs that deliver at present.....Castleford and Catalans are close, but the rest aren't delivering. Well meaning owners like O'Neill, Hudgell, Davy, Hughes and Beaumont are good to have, but the reality is they back "yoyo" clubs who dwell at the bottom half of the table or in the 2nd tier and with the return to relegation any chances of "building" both on and off the park are again gone and it's all about avoiding the drop....I wonder what will happen once toronto get up......will they close the door behind them.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Toronto failing would be yet another blow for expansion, with the "traditionalists" lining up to say "I told you so". and to be fair, IF they were to fail, those people would be right.
There has to be some longevity to the plight of ANY RL club and a 3-4 year plan, based on attaining SL status isn't good business, whether it be a pit village or a metropolis.'"
Even though Toronto have had some help from the RFL (extending the league 1 salary cap, changing the way league 1 promotion etc). The way they started in the lowest league gives them a solid base. It's helped them build the brand. And show people in the city the game and club.
I don't think that the way the fixture list been done this year helps them. But if they go up no one can really argue against them as they would have done it the right way.
Funny enough to see where Toronto are, we need them to have a bad season where they really struggle. Then we'll see if crowds are going to stick with them etc.
I've said all along, to build a strong RL it's not about expansion v heartlands. It's about both moving together. Growing together, same rules for everyone. Accepting each other. Both need each other,
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