FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Genuinely funny article in the Torygraph!
24 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain212No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 20168 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2018Aug 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Black Backgrounds/Rowlf%20the%20Dog.gif
:Black Backgrounds/Rowlf%20the%20Dog.gif



Quote: wrencat1873 "yet you are happy to condone yet another article that smears our sport and laughs at those involved.'"


I don't condone any article that does those things. Nor do I condone articles that put the boot into rugby union or any other sport. I'm a big fan of loads of sports and even those that are not my cup of tea, I would still not seek to put them down.

If I'm honest I'm a bit confused by the article with regards to who is having a go at who. I thought it was someone having a go at rugby union by sarcastically saying that that's what RL needs to imitate if it's going to get people to like it. But other people are seeing it as an attack on rugby league. Either way, one of the sports is being mocked and I don't like that, whichever it is. Lol

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2921
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 20177 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2019Sep 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
76030_1540929970.jpg
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: wrencat1873 "I think that your love of this article shows your true colours.'"

Love?
I enjoyed it and took it at face value...a bit of fun being poked at Union.

As for my true colours.......put your eyeglass down Sherlock. There's nothing to see here d040.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach8119
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2020Apr 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
16412_1394912803.png
Newham Dockers, London Entry League Champions 2013 //www.newhamdockers.co.uk:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16412.png



Quote: Muggins "There seems to be a certain amount of delusion with some RL fans. It's as if they can't understand why anyone who has seen or heard about RL hasn't immediately fallen in love with it and become fans like themselves. Their inability to accept this leads them to assume that it's all down to bad marketing and promotion. I hate to burst their bubble but a lot of people know about RL but just don't have any interest in it. And it doesn't matter how many times you list the reasons why you think RL is great and why they should be interested in it, they're still going to make up their own minds and unfortunately most people don't seem that interested.'"


I disagree the issue is one of delusion, rather it's a lack of understanding of the market in which large-scale commercial sports operate. What Rugby League fans don't understand is the difference in make-up of people that watch other sports with a national profile (I am exempting football from that comment - it has an entirely unique position in the UK sporting landscape).

Rugby Union and Cricket are the two obvious comparable sports for RL in the UK. Both sports have a broadly similarly size hardcore fanbase - those that turn up to watch Sale v Newcastle on a Friday night in January, and those that watch Lancashire v Sussex in a County Championship game on a Tuesday. What those sports have been successful at that RL hasn't however, is in engaging the casual sporting fan for the big occasion.

I live in London and most of my mates down here are natives, rather than exiled northerners... and most of them are more than happy to pony up to watch England RU or England cricket - to the tune of £50+ per game - or go to Twickenham 7s or a Surrey T20 fixture - even though they usually know a minimal amount about the rules of the sport, nor can they usually speak to the current status of the traditional / domestic game - who is top of the Aviva Premiership and so on.

What they buy into is the narrative that those sports do a great job of cultivating - England cricket beating the Aussies in the Ashes, or England RU trying to win the Six Nations - and the mythology (=marketing) that surrounds these events. This in turn gives them the opportunity to build events which the casual - cash rich - fan will buy into, and return to as long as the social side of the event delivers. The actual quality of the sporting product on offer doesn't really matter as most of them don't understand it anyway.

It's like buying anything - there are options for those that care about product quality, and options for those that care about what is trendy but fast. Think a pair of high quality handmade leather shoes from Northampton, versus a pair of made in Vietnam Nike trainers. If you care about quality, you'll pay more for the better product. But if you care about being fashionable you'll buy the Nike's, and what British RL fans tend not to understand is that the market for people that care about being fashionable is quite different to, and much larger than the market that wants to buy quality. Until British Rugby League understands this, and develops a product to appeal to the buyer of Nike's, it will never expand its horizons in the UK beyond the hardcore in the North.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2216No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 20177 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2018Apr 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Call Me God "...as did I. I wasn't expecting the idiot brigade to be out in as much force finding fault with it....It was in a Union paper taking the pi$$ out of Union....some people need to lighten up a tad!'"


Was it really taking the pi$$ out of Union or taking the pi$$ out of RL's opinions on RU? Pointing out RU's flaws but still highlighting how much better it does was more taking the pi$$ out of RL than Union in my opinion. It was more a taking a pi$$ out of RL imo if you read it correctly.

Either way you read it, that it's unclear what its aim was shows how poor it was....and again it just wasn't funny.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1884No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2023May 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Black Backgrounds/Sam the Eagle.gif
:Black Backgrounds/Sam the Eagle.gif



Quote: Diavolo Rosso "I disagree the issue is one of delusion, rather it's a lack of understanding of the market in which large-scale commercial sports operate. What Rugby League fans don't understand is the difference in make-up of people that watch other sports with a national profile (I am exempting football from that comment - it has an entirely unique position in the UK sporting landscape).

Rugby Union and Cricket are the two obvious comparable sports for RL in the UK. Both sports have a broadly similarly size hardcore fanbase - those that turn up to watch Sale v Newcastle on a Friday night in January, and those that watch Lancashire v Sussex in a County Championship game on a Tuesday. What those sports have been successful at that RL hasn't however, is in engaging the casual sporting fan for the big occasion.

I live in London and most of my mates down here are natives, rather than exiled northerners... and most of them are more than happy to pony up to watch England RU or England cricket - to the tune of £50+ per game - or go to Twickenham 7s or a Surrey T20 fixture - even though they usually know a minimal amount about the rules of the sport, nor can they usually speak to the current status of the traditional / domestic game - who is top of the Aviva Premiership and so on.

What they buy into is the narrative that those sports do a great job of cultivating - England cricket beating the Aussies in the Ashes, or England RU trying to win the Six Nations - and the mythology (

A very good article. You should work for the RL.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5746
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
46978_1481681744.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_46978.jpg



Quote: Diavolo Rosso "I disagree the issue is one of delusion, rather it's a lack of understanding of the market in which large-scale commercial sports operate. What Rugby League fans don't understand is the difference in make-up of people that watch other sports with a national profile (I am exempting football from that comment - it has an entirely unique position in the UK sporting landscape).

Rugby Union and Cricket are the two obvious comparable sports for RL in the UK. Both sports have a broadly similarly size hardcore fanbase - those that turn up to watch Sale v Newcastle on a Friday night in January, and those that watch Lancashire v Sussex in a County Championship game on a Tuesday. What those sports have been successful at that RL hasn't however, is in engaging the casual sporting fan for the big occasion.

I live in London and most of my mates down here are natives, rather than exiled northerners... and most of them are more than happy to pony up to watch England RU or England cricket - to the tune of £50+ per game - or go to Twickenham 7s or a Surrey T20 fixture - even though they usually know a minimal amount about the rules of the sport, nor can they usually speak to the current status of the traditional / domestic game - who is top of the Aviva Premiership and so on.

What they buy into is the narrative that those sports do a great job of cultivating - England cricket beating the Aussies in the Ashes, or England RU trying to win the Six Nations - and the mythology (
Good post.

Only point that I disagree and it's a small one, is the one underlined. Most first-class games around the Country rarely break 1000 people watching a day. You'll get a few one offs that get a few thousand in, particularly at the height of summer, if say Yorkshire v Lancs play, or Middlesex v Surrey in the 4 day game. It's because of the low crowds T20 was invented in England, that and the fact just about every County is in debt up to their eyeballs. Even now, where each County gets £1.8m off the ECB through broadcasting revenues and they have 3 forms of cricket to earn money from, all bar a few are crippled with debt, even Yorkshire owes £20m, mainly due to the revamp but even before that had troubles.
Personally, I'd compare Cricket's one day attendances, especially 50 over Cricket, to that of RL. Quite a few T20 games regularly fill the grounds.

24 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
24 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


1.78515625:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
weaver93
2376
Recent
Saints h
moto748
82
Recent
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Zig
2474
Recent
Cas
the-bearded-
11
Recent
Bradford
BigTime
5
Recent
Round 17 Warrington Away
Once were Lo
124
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
This site is crap
FGB
20
1m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
38008
1m
Round 17 Warrington Away
Once were Lo
124
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
1883
2m
Saints h
moto748
82
2m
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Zig
2474
2m
Rumours and signings v9
[Gareth]
28609
2m
Toulouse game
REDWHITEANDB
3
2m
Vegas Baby
MattyB
24
2m
Sackings
SFW
2
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Wigan Warriors Extend League Lead with Derby Win
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Toulouse game
REDWHITEANDB
3
TODAY
Ashton extends contract
chris2925
1
TODAY
Damel Diakhate
Eastern Wild
5
TODAY
Sackings
SFW
2
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Into Second With Win Over Leeds
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Tonights game v Leeds
karetaker
29
TODAY
Watson toast
FIL
9
TODAY
Watson Been Stood Down
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Watson gone
Jo Jumbuck
6
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Giants
doc999
5
TODAY
Just makes me laugh
Wildmoggy
1
TODAY
Anyone know about wfd v batley
Redscat
8
TODAY
Bradford
BigTime
5
TODAY
One more Saints inspired novel
glee
1
TODAY
Bradford Away 140724
Trojan Horse
25
TODAY
Fax v Fev
The Phantom
2
TODAY
Cas
the-bearded-
11
TODAY
Round 17 Warrington Away
Once were Lo
124
TODAY
Saints h
moto748
82
TODAY
For the live of god Arthur out
christopher
21
TODAY
Arthur In
Tex Rerp
45
TODAY
Wakefield H
Bullseye
18
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Warriors Extend League L..
73
Warrington Wolves Into Second ..
288
Salford Hold On To Beat Unluck..
787
Lucky Leeds Golden Point Win O..
1356
Wigan Beat Leigh in Derby Thri..
1407
Wakefield Trinity Register Thi..
2324
Englands Youngsters Beat Franc..
1714
Big Win for England Women Over..
1471
2024 State of Origin - Game 2 ..
1719
New Structure for 2025 Challen..
1813
Super League form rewarded as ..
2093
Superb Salford Complete Histor..
2214
Catalans Dragons Survive Secon..
2205
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late ..
1916
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires ..
2236
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.6M 2,895 80,08514,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TODAY
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
08:30
Gold Coast
v
Parramatta
10:35
Brisbane
v
St.George
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
12:00
York V
v
FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
15:00
Hull FC
v
Hull KR
15:00
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
       Championship 2024-R15
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
17:30
Catalans
v
Salford
 TOMORROW
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
12:00
Wire W
v
LeedsW
       League One 2024-R15
14:00
Newcastle
v
Hunslet
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
14:00
Hudds W
v
BarrowW
       Championship 2024-R15
15:00
Batley
v
Barrow
15:00
Bradford
v
Wakefield
15:00
Halifax
v
Featherstone
15:00
Sheffield
v
Swinton
15:00
Widnes
v
Dewsbury
15:00
York
v
Doncaster
       League One 2024-R15
15:00
Oldham
v
Crusaders
15:00
Workington
v
Rochdale
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
17:05
Manly
v
Newcastle
 Wed 17th Jul
     State of Origin 2023-R3
11:05
Queensland
v
New South Wales
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Sat 13th Jul
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Hull KR
SL
15:00
Leigh-Huddersfield
SL
17:30
Catalans-Salford
Wed 17th Jul
SOO
11:05
Queensland-New South Wales
Sat 17th Aug
SL
18:00
Warrington-Leeds
SL
15:30
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
13:00
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:00
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:30
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Fri 12th Jul
NRL 19 Cronulla58-6Wests
SL 17 LondonB20-34Castleford
WSL2024 8 WiganW12-16St.HelensW
SL 17 Wigan16-12St.Helens
Thu 11th Jul
NRL 19 Dolphins36-28Souths
SL 17 Warrington30-18Leeds
Sun 7th Jul
NRL 18 Sydney42-12St.George
NRL 18 Canberra12-16Newcastle
SL 16 Salford22-20Hull FC
CH 14 Dewsbury16-20Doncaster
CH 14 Featherstone66-0Whitehaven
CH 14 Swinton24-12Widnes
CH 14 Wakefield34-12Batley
CH 14 York54-12Barrow
L1 14 Newcastle0-44Workington
L1 14 Crusaders18-32Midlands
L1 14 Keighley20-20Rochdale
WSL2024 7 Wire W10-32Hudds W
WSL2024 7 York V44-0BarrowW
Sat 6th Jul
NRL 18 Canterbury13-12NZ Warriors
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 16 443 182 261 28
Warrington 17 436 231 205 24
St.Helens 17 441 186 255 22
Hull KR 16 397 217 180 22
Salford 16 317 308 9 22
Catalans 16 304 234 70 20
 
Leeds 17 309 316 -7 18
Huddersfield 16 298 365 -67 12
Leigh 15 270 250 20 11
Castleford 17 280 455 -175 11
Hull FC 16 218 496 -278 4
LondonB 17 176 649 -473 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 14 520 154 366 28
Sheffield 14 382 217 165 22
Bradford 14 353 230 123 19
Toulouse 13 344 186 158 17
Widnes 14 327 269 58 15
Featherstone 14 396 283 113 14
 
Doncaster 14 257 341 -84 13
York 15 339 305 34 12
Batley 14 217 320 -103 12
Swinton 14 284 344 -60 10
Halifax 14 270 405 -135 10
Whitehaven 14 266 424 -158 10
Barrow 13 215 393 -178 10
Dewsbury 15 184 439 -255 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
weaver93
2376
Recent
Saints h
moto748
82
Recent
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Zig
2474
Recent
Cas
the-bearded-
11
Recent
Bradford
BigTime
5
Recent
Round 17 Warrington Away
Once were Lo
124
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
This site is crap
FGB
20
1m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
38008
1m
Round 17 Warrington Away
Once were Lo
124
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
1883
2m
Saints h
moto748
82
2m
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Zig
2474
2m
Rumours and signings v9
[Gareth]
28609
2m
Toulouse game
REDWHITEANDB
3
2m
Vegas Baby
MattyB
24
2m
Sackings
SFW
2
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Wigan Warriors Extend League Lead with Derby Win
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Toulouse game
REDWHITEANDB
3
TODAY
Ashton extends contract
chris2925
1
TODAY
Damel Diakhate
Eastern Wild
5
TODAY
Sackings
SFW
2
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Into Second With Win Over Leeds
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Tonights game v Leeds
karetaker
29
TODAY
Watson toast
FIL
9
TODAY
Watson Been Stood Down
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Watson gone
Jo Jumbuck
6
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Giants
doc999
5
TODAY
Just makes me laugh
Wildmoggy
1
TODAY
Anyone know about wfd v batley
Redscat
8
TODAY
Bradford
BigTime
5
TODAY
One more Saints inspired novel
glee
1
TODAY
Bradford Away 140724
Trojan Horse
25
TODAY
Fax v Fev
The Phantom
2
TODAY
Cas
the-bearded-
11
TODAY
Round 17 Warrington Away
Once were Lo
124
TODAY
Saints h
moto748
82
TODAY
For the live of god Arthur out
christopher
21
TODAY
Arthur In
Tex Rerp
45
TODAY
Wakefield H
Bullseye
18
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Warriors Extend League L..
73
Warrington Wolves Into Second ..
288
Salford Hold On To Beat Unluck..
787
Lucky Leeds Golden Point Win O..
1356
Wigan Beat Leigh in Derby Thri..
1407
Wakefield Trinity Register Thi..
2324
Englands Youngsters Beat Franc..
1714
Big Win for England Women Over..
1471
2024 State of Origin - Game 2 ..
1719
New Structure for 2025 Challen..
1813
Super League form rewarded as ..
2093
Superb Salford Complete Histor..
2214
Catalans Dragons Survive Secon..
2205
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late ..
1916
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires ..
2236


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!