Be fair, we have Newcastle, the Titans and Tigpies in the comp. Based on 2017 performances, I don't think there are too many of the England squad that wouldn't have got a run with one of those three if they were available.

There's a difference between errors and unforced errors even if the completion rate is higher than others which it should always be in top 3 given our standing and NZ have disappointed.

What Daley was saying is that our one move near the line is the block play - a dummy running second row, halfbacks combine and hope to create an overlap through the dummy runner. Trouble is because its basically the only move we have a good defence will just slide along with the ball. He added that we also telegraph which direction we are going every play because we stack one side or other with halfbacks/Widdopp and it always goes that way, and we try the same move off slow PTBs, which makes it even easier to defend.

Whilst Roby hasn't snuck through from acting half, we need a bit more of that plus trying short passes from the PTB. I'd also like to see us give the ball to the dummy running second row more often. Basically we need variety but in a controlled way. Trobule is when we go for variety we tend to make mistakes.

I'd compare the way we are attacking with how the Cowboys play off Thruston. Structurally it looks similar to the way England are set up, but the difference is the defence knows that not only does he have 3/4 options - long pass, short pass, kick or dummy and run - but he will also at some stage use every one of them.

I think the direct route has a lot of merit, particularly later in the game when bodies and minds start to get tired. Graham took a one-out pass at speed and was over the line v PNG, pulled back for a forward pass. It has worked in wins against the aussies in the past as well (Peacock '06, Sculthorpe '01).

Obviously it can't be our only weapon, but I don't think it should be disgarded for more complicated high risk plays. Even if it doesn't work, you will generally keep the ball, and force them to defend around the ruck rather than quickly sliding out. You can often win an interference penalty in that situation as well if you are a metre short of the line fighting for a quick ptb. However, I'm not sure about the scoot. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone score that way (unless Wigan are just rubbish at it!) and it means you lose your hooker for the next play.

I wonder if our playmakers have the brains to compute more than one option, especially against a quicker defence. SL defences don't demand the attackers to have finely honed split second decision making so when it's needed it's not ready. Hence we are predictable.

I agree more variety is needed. Roby has shown how to choose the right option at the PTB whereas Hodgson seems not to be on the same wavelength as anyone else and it leads to hesitancy and errors.

Daley's completely right about our predictability.

The Bronocs attack was criticised for the same reason this year. To be fair I think Bennett believes that if you execute well enough you will score. We'll see.

Bullseye - agree about our halfbacks being a problem here. Widdopp aside, they simply aren't used to having to make decisions under constant pressure. As a result when they do try to play 'off the cuff' they tend to force the pass and make errors. Quite often when we have tried the direct route of a big forward running at the line the pass they've got has been really hard to take. One of the Aussie commentators mentioned that with a pass by Brown to Currie (v France?), and said the pass either needs to go early or the halfback actually let himself get hit and then drop the ball off. Instead it was a fast pass with defenders right in Currie's face - the drop would be recorded against Currie but it was Brown's fault.

Re the dummy half scott, I don't expect Roby to score, but going for it every now and then at least keeps defenders close to the PTB. What we haven't been able to do, either off a scoot or other plays is generate quick PTB on the line. Australia are far better at doing that - just as they are far better at slowing down the opposition PTB.