It's not though is it, it is all about Old Trafford and the Grand Final - otherwise we wouldn't have the structure that we have. We wouldn't have the playoffs, we wouldn't have the fans/players not really caring about the LLS, we wouldn't have players crawling off the operating table to play in a semi final.

So you can bang on as much as you like saying it's not all about the GF - but surely that's all it's about? Do you think Cas are sat at home now saying "don't worry lads, we played the best rugby all year, so we know we were the best - well done us!" What will be remembered in 5 years time - that Leeds won the GF.

I'll just judge him on his time as Cas where he's taken us to 2 finals. 1 as underdogs 1 as very slight favourites where he was informed 2 days before the final that he would be without his star full back for the game giving 1 training session for someone else to play full back.He then saw his side make 18 handling errors. He wasn't the 1 repeatedly dropping the ball. I know Fev fans like to stick the knife into Powell regarding finals but how have Fev coped since Powell left in comparison to 2010-13. At Cas in 3 years we've reached the challenge cup final a grand final and won the league leaders shield. No other coach could have done that at Cas.

But you might not have even been there or topped the league if one of your best players wasn't cheating.
So tough.
Leeds would have won anyway they were better, it might have been a bit closer that's all.

I think the decision to pass up the early 2 points set the tone for the Cas performance. Lack of big game nous. I think it's all very nice wanting to play free flowing, attacking rugby on a wet autumn night, but Leeds did the sensible thing and played percentages rugby. There was a point where McShane went for a snatched one handed pick up from the ptb and dropped it, he may do that move all the time, but in the conditions a solid pass would have been better.

Hardaker is a tool but it doesn't enhance his performance.

Thank you!