Still a play-off system though whatever the reason or barometers you put upon it. Which has been used for the majority of our 122 years as a sport apart from a 25 year period where we tried to mimmick soccer.

But somehow this period gets used as our "original" and "proper" way to do it.

I didn't deny that we have used a play off system and I wasn't there that when the decision was made on why it was agreed to be used, I just gave an opinion as to why it might have been more appropriate then than it is now if you were looking to set up a competition.

As a supporter of a club that has had LLS success, but, failed to win the GF/Championship in my lifetime, yet managed to win a play off series under the first past the post system and 'only'won a Play Off, I can assure you that I am not bitter or in denial that the winners of this year's Grand Final will be crowned Champions, as it's what all the teams have signed up to at the start of the competition..I get that.

What I don't get is the lack of value placed on the LLS bordering on the dismissive by plenty and the, in my view, simplistic 'back stop' view that it must be right, or at least can't be challenged because that's how we have nearly always done it and we only had a change to the system to mimic soccer (what do they know about running a successful competition?).

The fact that you, and others can recall Huddersfield winning the LLS surely shows that people do remember who won the LLS!!

...and that is the crux of the argument. Hudds fans didn't think it was meaningless in 2013, Tigers fans certainly don't in 2017 (we are still celebrating this bank holiday Monday) but every one else regards it as meaningless. It reeks of envy.

Cas fans are celebrating success, surely that's a good enough reason?

Therein lies the problem; I haven't seen *anyone* dismiss Cas' achievement as meaningless - because that would be a ridiculous thing to do. I have seen most people say well done Cas, but with a non-fans perspective of the GF being the ultimate accolade; which I'm sure plenty of Cas fans have said in the past to Shudds and Wire fans.

I don't understand the chippy attitude - Cas have every chance of winning the GF - then you can really rub some folks noses in it; but it hasn't happened yet!

What do you mean Vastman aside, I've congratulated them in every post - I just think the GF is more important, am I not allowed an opinion?. Show some guts and don't try shipping your obvious unpopularity on these forums onto me, I can do that just fine by myself thanks.

Purely hypothetical, most of us will be dead before that happens - so you're well up on us there







PS: How exactly would you expect MC to behave exactly?

When have I ever said that you're not allowed an opinion?

When did I not praise Cas for their achievement?

The issue is whether the GF or the LLSis more important.

If anyone can find me a quote pre season where DP states he's after the LLS. Rather than finishing as high in the 8 to assure a good play off place like every other coach then I'll let him off his slightly daft comment.

I'd like someone to show me where Powell has stated the LLS is more important than the GF. He has said it is a great achievement and an historic one but he also said "we will celebrate this" (why wouldn't you ?) and followed that up by saying "we will move on to the next target".