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Quote: Towns88 "Can't see it, think Tony Gigot is 1 of their better players, so where would that leave him ?'"


Read a rumour the other day about Saints wanting Gigot? Can't remember for the life of me where I saw this however. Think it was in the same article saying that they're likely to release Lomax.

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[b:3w2ur1db]Superleague Titles[/b:3w2ur1db] Warrington Wolfs - 0 Wakefield Trinity - 0 Leigh Centurions - 0 [quote="Budgiezilla":3w2ur1db]Surely it can only be a player from Catalans. Probably the best RL side I have ever witnessed in this season's comp.[/quote:3w2ur1db]:



Didn't Saints recently sack an academy player for taking recreational drugs?

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Quote: Wigg'n "What were there circumstances of his ban? i.e. Why was Hock (and others) banned for 2 years and Barba 12 games?'"


Drug Authorities catch you = 2 years if out of comp, 4 years if in comp (in system on match day).

NRL in-house testing catch you... 1st offence = un-publicised and a training course (slap on wrist) 2nd offence = 12 weeks (slap on wrist) 3rd offence = unspecified big ban (unless you're an NRL/QLD legend/darling type player)

NRL are super weak on this!

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Quote: Superted "Drug Authorities catch you

Not quite true. The bans relate to performance enhancing drugs for the Drug Authority bans. Cocaine is performance enhancing in competition being a stimulant (as are amphetamines) and anyone caught with it in their system on match day gets the big bans. It is not performance enhancing out of competition as it does not have any long term performance enhancing effects - indeed it goes through the body pretty quickly so it doesn't count on the drug authorities naughty list in this case. This is quite different to steroids and growth hormones which do provide long term benefits and attract a deserved ban for out of competition use as well as match days.

Now catching players using cocaine out of competition opens up a huge legal and moral minefield, its illegal in most countries but then again there are privacy issues. There is also the role model argument amongst others so its up to the clubs and governing bodies to set their own rules - good luck to them.

And I see that Wigan fans still don't get it. Hock was caught in an after match sample. He was cheating and got the standard ban, simple as. He certainly wasn't hard done by and in no way got an exceptional sentence. I know its a difficult concept for Wigan fans to digest but sometimes the RFL can't make a mockery of the rules and justice and fiddle it in your favour, their hands were pretty much tied in this case.

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As much as I'm looking forward to watching Barba play in SL, I do think that the ban should stand. Whatever the ban was for is immaterial IMO. Any bans imposed by either the RFL or NRL should be 'game wide'. If a player is banned for a couple of games and that clashes with an international fixture then they are not eligible to play in the international, so my simple way of looking at things says that there is no difference between the 2. It makes no difference what the ban was for or who the player is, a 12 match ban from rugby league should mean exactly that, simple. No loopholes, no trying to cheat the system, no 'extenuating or mitigating circumstances', a ban from the game for 'x amount of time/games' is a ban from the game.

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Quote: Erik the not red "Not quite true. The bans relate to performance enhancing drugs for the Drug Authority bans. Cocaine is performance enhancing in competition being a stimulant (as are amphetamines) and anyone caught with it in their system on match day gets the big bans. It is not performance enhancing out of competition as it does not have any long term performance enhancing effects - indeed it goes through the body pretty quickly so it doesn't count on the drug authorities naughty list in this case. This is quite different to steroids and growth hormones which do provide long term benefits and attract a deserved ban for out of competition use as well as match days.

Now catching players using cocaine out of competition opens up a huge legal and moral minefield, its illegal in most countries but then again there are privacy issues. There is also the role model argument amongst others so its up to the clubs and governing bodies to set their own rules - good luck to them.

And I see that Wigan fans still don't get it. Hock was caught in an after match sample. He was cheating and got the standard ban, simple as. He certainly wasn't hard done by and in no way got an exceptional sentence. I know its a difficult concept for Wigan fans to digest but sometimes the RFL can't make a mockery of the rules and justice and fiddle it in your favour, their hands were pretty much tied in this case.'"


Honestly we don't care that much, we were better without him and won a SL and CC the 2 seasons he was suspended. Your yness is duly noted though.

Fwiw I bothered to quickly look it up. Barba tested positive 4 days after the NRL GF. Cocaine stays in your system between 2-4 days after use.

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