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Quote: bren2k "Could it possibly be that the RFL actually *do* want to send a strong message about racism - because that's the right thing to do; rather than they're doing it because they feel pressured to and if not for the PC brigade, they'd just shrug and say "that Carney - what a card?!"

I hate this eye-rolling attribution of doing the right thing as being pandering to political correctness; isn't PC actually just being fair and equitable and protecting people from abuse and victimisation? It may well be taken to extremes in some cases - but not this one.'"


A one match ban for stamping on a person with intent to physically injure and 8 matches for losing your temper and saying something most regrettable after a person deliberately sledges you. Thank the lord the RFL disciplinary aren't sat behind a bench in a courtroom with grey wigs on their heads. I fully endorse the ban but I don't agree that other forms of abuse and victimisation are considered by the RFL of much less significance. Don’t the RFL have a duty of care to protect the welfare of all players equally?

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Quote: bren2k "You seem to be missing the point; abuse that is aggravated by protected characteristics - such as race or sexuality - is dealt with more harshly, and rightly so.

I assume that if someone had called a Salford player a black c**t and was banned for 8 games, you'd also be calling for a more lenient punishment?

You seem agitated; perhaps your agitation would be more usefully directed at Mr Carney rather than the RFL?'"


Why are you assuming that I'm agitated? I'm simply pointing out that there is a wide disparity in the punishments when comparing two acts of abuse to how the criminal justice system would ajudicate on both individual cases. Allow me to reiterate again that I fully endorse the ban, i just think it's disproportionate to the outcome of the physical abuse hearing at the RFL this week. This is just my opinion and I respect that you have yours.

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Quote: theredshed "Why are you assuming that I'm agitated? I'm simply pointing out that there is a wide disparity in the punishments when comparing two acts of abuse to how the criminal justice system would ajudicate on both individual cases. Allow me to reiterate again that I fully endorse the ban, i just think it's disproportionate to the outcome of the physical abuse hearing at the RFL this week. This is just my opinion and I respect that you have yours.'"


I don't understand your point; as has already been pointed out, this isn't a criminal case - so the burden of proof (and the sanctions available) are significantly different. If it were, for admitting racially aggravated verbal abuse, he could be looking at a hefty fine or even a prison sentence, rather than 6 weeks rest.

Would you like the RFL to robustly protect Salford's BME players form racial abuse, or would you feel the same way if the situation were reversed?

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I want all RL players protected the same whether they play for my club or any other club. You don't seem to to understand what I mean when I keep repeating that I fully endorse the ban. Let me be clear. Just because I believe the RFL are wrong to punish a deliberate physical offence at only 12.5% of the punishment compared to a verbal offence, does not mean I think the ban should be any less. The RFL has a duty of care to protect the welfare of all players equally? If you were the person stamped on, would you think you got a fair outcome?

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Quote: theredshed "I want all RL players protected the same whether they play for my club or any other club. You don't seem to to understand what I mean when I keep repeating that I fully endorse the ban.'"


That's good - but yesterday you saidThis lengthy 8 match ban is more about the RFL saying look at us we are a governing body of a sport with politically correct value's and Carney has been severely punished by the RFL to make them feel better about themselves.'"


which is entirely different. And the part in bold is the most problematic - you seem to believe that racist abuse on the field of play is broadly ok, and that the governing body would also think it were ok, if not for the PC brigade forcing them to pretend to care?

I've already explained that a racially aggravated incident carries a more serious penalty than a straightforward incident of foul play - for reasons which would seem obvious to most people.

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Quote: bren2k "I've already explained that a racially aggravated incident carries a more serious penalty than a straightforward incident of foul play - for reasons which would seem obvious to most people.'"



Yeah it would have been much better had he just gone and kicked the sh*t out of him as that's far more acceptable, a bit like the French player one arrowing the Ref . icon_rolleyes.gif

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