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Carney has racially abused a fellow player and been punished - quite lightly in my view '"


I don't think this offence warrants the length of the ban when compared to thuggish violations such as deliberately attempting to physically injure a person. This lengthy 8 match ban is more about the RFL saying look at us we are a governing body of a sport with politically correct value's and Carney has been severely punished by the RFL to make them feel better about themselves. There is just no logic to the disparity in punishments when comparing physical and verbal offences to the criminal justice system. There is no place for racism in RL and I think it's only right that Carney was banned but let the punishment fit the crime rather than using it as a PR stunt.

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Quote: bren2k "You seem to be missing the point; abuse that is aggravated by protected characteristics - such as race or sexuality - is dealt with more harshly, and rightly so.

I assume that if someone had called a Salford player a black c**t and was banned for 8 games, you'd also be calling for a more lenient punishment?

You seem agitated; perhaps your agitation would be more usefully directed at Mr Carney rather than the RFL?'"


Why are you assuming that I'm agitated? I'm simply pointing out that there is a wide disparity in the punishments when comparing two acts of abuse to how the criminal justice system would ajudicate on both individual cases. Allow me to reiterate again that I fully endorse the ban, i just think it's disproportionate to the outcome of the physical abuse hearing at the RFL this week. This is just my opinion and I respect that you have yours.

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Quote: theredshed "Why are you assuming that I'm agitated? I'm simply pointing out that there is a wide disparity in the punishments when comparing two acts of abuse to how the criminal justice system would ajudicate on both individual cases. Allow me to reiterate again that I fully endorse the ban, i just think it's disproportionate to the outcome of the physical abuse hearing at the RFL this week. This is just my opinion and I respect that you have yours.'"


I don't understand your point; as has already been pointed out, this isn't a criminal case - so the burden of proof (and the sanctions available) are significantly different. If it were, for admitting racially aggravated verbal abuse, he could be looking at a hefty fine or even a prison sentence, rather than 6 weeks rest.

Would you like the RFL to robustly protect Salford's BME players form racial abuse, or would you feel the same way if the situation were reversed?

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I want all RL players protected the same whether they play for my club or any other club. You don't seem to to understand what I mean when I keep repeating that I fully endorse the ban. Let me be clear. Just because I believe the RFL are wrong to punish a deliberate physical offence at only 12.5% of the punishment compared to a verbal offence, does not mean I think the ban should be any less. The RFL has a duty of care to protect the welfare of all players equally? If you were the person stamped on, would you think you got a fair outcome?

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Quote: theredshed "I want all RL players protected the same whether they play for my club or any other club. You don't seem to to understand what I mean when I keep repeating that I fully endorse the ban.'"


That's good - but yesterday you saidThis lengthy 8 match ban is more about the RFL saying look at us we are a governing body of a sport with politically correct value's and Carney has been severely punished by the RFL to make them feel better about themselves.'"


which is entirely different. And the part in bold is the most problematic - you seem to believe that racist abuse on the field of play is broadly ok, and that the governing body would also think it were ok, if not for the PC brigade forcing them to pretend to care?

I've already explained that a racially aggravated incident carries a more serious penalty than a straightforward incident of foul play - for reasons which would seem obvious to most people.

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Quote: bren2k "I've already explained that a racially aggravated incident carries a more serious penalty than a straightforward incident of foul play - for reasons which would seem obvious to most people.'"



Yeah it would have been much better had he just gone and kicked the sh*t out of him as that's far more acceptable, a bit like the French player one arrowing the Ref . icon_rolleyes.gif

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