FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Justin Carney
62 posts in 5 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4314
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2018Sep 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
32990_1435324474.jpg
First accept sadness. Realise that without losing 70% of the time, winning wouldn't be such a relief.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_32990.jpg



Considering the severity of the RFL's decision I wonder if Salford have grounds for dismissal (If an even better wing option was available) if they chose to take that route? A long shot I know but how about Denny Solomona after the Sale season finishes this month?? Isn't there some special allowance on the cap now for attracting star players back to RL? I wonder if this was what Koukash was referring to with his cryptic tweet about one door shut and another one open? Who knows the quote "I've retired from rugby yawnian" card could be played!!

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4314
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2018Sep 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
32990_1435324474.jpg
First accept sadness. Realise that without losing 70% of the time, winning wouldn't be such a relief.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_32990.jpg



Quote: bren2k "You seem to be missing the point; abuse that is aggravated by protected characteristics - such as race or sexuality - is dealt with more harshly, and rightly so.

I assume that if someone had called a Salford player a black c**t and was banned for 8 games, you'd also be calling for a more lenient punishment?

You seem agitated; perhaps your agitation would be more usefully directed at Mr Carney rather than the RFL?'"


Why are you assuming that I'm agitated? I'm simply pointing out that there is a wide disparity in the punishments when comparing two acts of abuse to how the criminal justice system would ajudicate on both individual cases. Allow me to reiterate again that I fully endorse the ban, i just think it's disproportionate to the outcome of the physical abuse hearing at the RFL this week. This is just my opinion and I respect that you have yours.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach15521
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201015 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2020May 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
50722_1319672516.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50722.jpg



Quote: theredshed "Why are you assuming that I'm agitated? I'm simply pointing out that there is a wide disparity in the punishments when comparing two acts of abuse to how the criminal justice system would ajudicate on both individual cases. Allow me to reiterate again that I fully endorse the ban, i just think it's disproportionate to the outcome of the physical abuse hearing at the RFL this week. This is just my opinion and I respect that you have yours.'"


I don't understand your point; as has already been pointed out, this isn't a criminal case - so the burden of proof (and the sanctions available) are significantly different. If it were, for admitting racially aggravated verbal abuse, he could be looking at a hefty fine or even a prison sentence, rather than 6 weeks rest.

Would you like the RFL to robustly protect Salford's BME players form racial abuse, or would you feel the same way if the situation were reversed?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4314
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2018Sep 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
32990_1435324474.jpg
First accept sadness. Realise that without losing 70% of the time, winning wouldn't be such a relief.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_32990.jpg



I want all RL players protected the same whether they play for my club or any other club. You don't seem to to understand what I mean when I keep repeating that I fully endorse the ban. Let me be clear. Just because I believe the RFL are wrong to punish a deliberate physical offence at only 12.5% of the punishment compared to a verbal offence, does not mean I think the ban should be any less. The RFL has a duty of care to protect the welfare of all players equally? If you were the person stamped on, would you think you got a fair outcome?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach15521
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201015 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2020May 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
50722_1319672516.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50722.jpg



Quote: theredshed "I want all RL players protected the same whether they play for my club or any other club. You don't seem to to understand what I mean when I keep repeating that I fully endorse the ban.'"


That's good - but yesterday you saidThis lengthy 8 match ban is more about the RFL saying look at us we are a governing body of a sport with politically correct value's and Carney has been severely punished by the RFL to make them feel better about themselves.'"


which is entirely different. And the part in bold is the most problematic - you seem to believe that racist abuse on the field of play is broadly ok, and that the governing body would also think it were ok, if not for the PC brigade forcing them to pretend to care?

I've already explained that a racially aggravated incident carries a more serious penalty than a straightforward incident of foul play - for reasons which would seem obvious to most people.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner3356
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2023Jun 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
icons1949_files/4193-180guyguyme2003-msnicons.gif
The fans, the members, the people there.. from the day I stepped foot onto that field at the AJ Bell Stadium,I knew I would love that club for the rest of my life. "Jackson Hastings".. Worry a little bit every day and in a lifetime you will lose a couple of years. If something is wrong, fix it if you can. But train yourself not to worry. Worry never fixes anything. Mary Hemmingway, US journalist,widow of Ernest Hemmingway (1908-1986) The Stupid Neither Forgive Nor Forget The Naive Forgive And Forget The Wise Forgive But Don't Forget "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde Irish Playwright (1854-1900) One likes people much better when they're battered down by a prodigious siege of misfortune than when they triumph. virginia woolf (1882-1941):icons1949_files/4193-180guyguyme2003-msnicons.gif



Quote: bren2k "I've already explained that a racially aggravated incident carries a more serious penalty than a straightforward incident of foul play - for reasons which would seem obvious to most people.'"



Yeah it would have been much better had he just gone and kicked the sh*t out of him as that's far more acceptable, a bit like the French player one arrowing the Ref . icon_rolleyes.gif

62 posts in 5 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
62 posts in 5 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


5.58740234375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
6m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2398
20m
Film game
karetaker
4032
33m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2413
38m
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
45m
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
118
48m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Exeter Rhino
10074
51m
Leigh it is
Warrior Wing
61
Recent
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Cokey
62563
Recent
Squad 2024
faxcar
735
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
33s
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
39s
Play-off semi-final
Khlav Kalash
17
52s
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
1m
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
1m
Leigh it is
Warrior Wing
61
1m
Squad for HKR
matt_wire
14
2m
Call for funds
Tony Fax
108
3m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Mr Snoodle
8
3m
Fev H Play Off
Wigan Bull
13
4m
Whitehaven Away
the fax in a
14
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
TODAY
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
TODAY
Man of Steel
MorePlaymake
5
TODAY
Guest appearance
Kick and cha
1
TODAY
Squad for HKR
matt_wire
14
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
MjM
6
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Wigan Bull
13
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
Khlav Kalash
17
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Kevin Turvey
10
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
Mr Snoodle
8
TODAY
2025 Squad
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
2024 Season Review
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
McNamara interview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
French Elite 1 season 2024/2025 Thread
Jimmythecuck
3
TODAY
5024
Butcher
7
TODAY
2025 membership/renewals
Chris71
38
TODAY
Hull FC ladies
Hessle Roade
1
TODAY
Kai
Cokey
8
TODAY
Travel to hull krdoes the club run coache
karetaker
59
TODAY
Wakefield v Dons - Sunday 29 September 2024
Wanderer
4
TODAY
The play-offs
Ckt2487
11
TODAY
This years play off series
matt_wire
3
TODAY
Leigh it is
Warrior Wing
61
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Play Off SF
Cokey
2
TODAY
Must do better
Wires71
29
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
628
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
667
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1119
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1373
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1121
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1534
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1247
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1476
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1621
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1892
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1586
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1656
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1842
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1661
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
2110