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Quote: GUBRATS "Properly done franchising would see only 1 SL club in Hull'"



Not necessarily true. It would all depend on where the RFL want to base those franchises. While it would probably negitavley effect my club, I can see the benefits for the top flight game in the UK.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "It's difficult to know what the sport does to significantly change its standing in world sport.
RL is so far behind football and Union in this country, it wont "compete" anytime soon.

People always talk about building up from the grass roots but, to do this will take another 100 years and during this time Football and Union will keep on growing.

Should we accept "defeat" in terms of revenue from TV and sponsorship or keep on trying to punch above our weight.

Sadly, it all comes down to money and with our governing body snapping Sky's hand off and accepting a relatively poor deal (compared to the gut wrenching increases that Football and Union achieved, we are left even further behind.

All of the bleating and moaning in the world wont change this and we really do need to accept having SL as the premier competition and The Championship comes second.

The funding that we have should be concentrated in the top flight, just as every other world sport does and to help the top flight clubs to be a little more stable, we should probably scrap the "super 8" system which, has half of the competition fighting to avoid the drop, while the other half become stronger and stronger (relatively speaking).

We should do away with the salary cap but, any club going into administration drop 1 division and any club liquidated would mean the new entity starts in the third tier.

This would stabilise the top flight clubs and allow the wealthy clubs, or those with wealthy owners, to splash the cash.

Finally, I would increase SL to 14 clubs to accommodate KR and London and increase still further if Toronto and Toulouse make the grade.

Having said that, Toronto, along with any other North American clubs, is not really a practical location to have for any SL club and the plan for them in the long term, has to be to compete in a North American league.'"


So more teams would spread the money further , to acomodate 2 clubs , neither of which pass Barrie's reasonable criteria

So filling up SL with more poor clubs is what you're suggesting , all decided by committee

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Quote: GUBRATS "So more teams would spread the money further , to acomodate 2 clubs , neither of which pass Barrie's reasonable criteria

So filling up SL with more poor clubs is what you're suggesting , all decided by committee'"


I actually believe Toronto and Toulouse are two of the clubs likely to pass the criteria, (which you agree are kind of a minimum expectation for a top flight). Obviously as you say not straight away, but you half to ask which championship clubs would/could reach most of my criteria. Maybe KR, maybe Bradford (if run properly) maybe London, though crowds have always been a problem.

I have nothing against Leagues below super league, I have family that are Hunslet fans and have been to their games as a fan, and also when the team I coach have played curtain raisers etc, and I've really enjoyed it, but with the best will in the world there are some clubs in the championship and champ 1 who are never going to be a top flight team.

And while I get you fell out with the game when your club was not on the top table so to speak, and while I'd like to think I'd be high and mighty and take it as a 'for the good of the game' if I was ever in that situation the chances are I wouldn't. (Even when I think RL is the best specatator sport in the world).

I'm simply advocating putting everyone in a position to grow where they are comfortable and not encouraged to shoot themsleves in the foot chasing the dream, whilst also making sure everyone knows what is expected of them.

Whatever the answer is for the game in this country, it's not refusing to run academies, it's not being content to play out of small, no longer fit for purpose grounds, and it's not imo, being happy to run at the level SL is currently at.

The whole attitude in the game at the minute seems to be 'Well it's good enough'

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Too early to make any judgement on Toronto ( although I do hope they are a success ) ATM , Similarily Toulouse , yes it's a massive city , but from when I visited during their last Championship spell , a lot of work to be done , I struggled to find much interest from the locals

Bradford ? , well something just not right there , it cannot be just down to a succession of bad management , Odsal perhaps ? , and if it is , just what are their options ?

London , not going to happen , they fail on 4 of your 4 main criteria , stadium ,crowd , financial security , not sure on academy

It wasn't that Leigh weren't in SL , it was that we couldn't get in , no confidence that we would ever be offered a franchise/licence given previous history , so it just felt boring , or maybe ' comfortable ' , that isn't why I go watching RL , I don't want it comfortable , I want it exciting , scary , it needs to bring out emotion in me , a franchise be it outside in the Championship or in it in SL just doesn't do it for me

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It is kind of a catch 22, I agree that if nothing else the p and r had brought the excitement etc, and we do need that, particularly for clubs that find themselves at the lower end of the spectrum.

But at the same time I believe we need to give clubs safety in which to build and develop without the potential long term damage that relegation, or chasing promotion and failing can bring.

Rock and a hard place springs to mind.

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Quote: Barrie's Glass Eye "It is kind of a catch 22, I agree that if nothing else the p and r had brought the excitement etc, and we do need that, particularly for clubs that find themselves at the lower end of the spectrum.

But at the same time I believe we need to give clubs safety in which to build and develop without the potential long term damage that relegation, or chasing promotion and failing can bring.

Rock and a hard place springs to mind.'"


What it does show is that you cannot just isolate the Championship , which is essentially partly what this thread was about in the 1 st place , it is intrinsically linked to SL

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